Demons, the scientific method.

Lillen · Dec 17, 2011

Can you prove demons with the scientific methods?

For instance if i give a shark human blood, will that shark be able to make himself visible as a human as the sorcerers tape the shark and send him up to land?

Lillen · Dec 17, 2011

To explain further of the theology. In the bible it mention fallan angels, demons, and devils, i believe that these are diffrent concepts, devils means billy goat, demon means knowing one, and fallen angles are those angels rebelling against God.

I believe that when angels fall they become dragons, and sorcers give these dragons human blood so that they can tape the soul of a human, when a shark, krokodile, or aligator or another fallen angel has controll over it.

To make myself clear, Yes, i believe that sharks are sea dragons, krokodiles and aligators are flooddragons i believe that these are fallen angels, who can be visible in human form, when they have drunken the soul of a human, the blood. To expand further, i believe they are visible when people use the the same blood when devoloping motionpictures or just media pictures!

This can be varified. thus demons is proven to exist!

RickG · Dec 17, 2011

Lillen said:
Can you prove demons with the scientific methods?

For instance if i give a shark human blood, will that shark be able to make himself visible as a human as the sorcerers tape the shark and send him up to land?

Actually no. The reason is that there are no proofs in science. Proofs are unique to to mathematics, science only dwells upon the amount of likelihood something is true. These truths (facts), physical laws, observations, data, falsifiable tests, modeling and predictions are what when grouped to explain a specific phenomena. This is what science calls a scientific theory.

So, can scientific methods prove demons? So far no, because there is no evidence of any such phenomena. That however, does not prove the opposite but it does significantly suggest it.

But just for a moment, let's apply the scientific method. You have addressed the first step, "ask a question". The next step would be to gather information about demons. Just what are they and how would we describe them.

RickG · Dec 17, 2011

Lillen said:
To explain further of the theology. In the bible it mention fallan angels, demons, and devils, i believe that these are diffrent concepts, devils means billy goat, demon means knowing one, and fallen angles are those angels rebelling against God.

I believe that when angels fall they become dragons, and sorcers give these dragons human blood so that they can tape the soul of a human, when a shark, krokodile, or aligator or another fallen angel has controll over it.

To make myself clear, Yes, i believe that sharks are sea dragons, krokodiles and aligators are flooddragons i believe that these are fallen angels, who can be visible in human form, when they have drunken the soul of a human, the blood. To expand further, i believe they are visible when people use the the same blood when devoloping motionpictures or just media pictures!

This can be varified. thus demons is proven to exist!

You only stated that they can be verified, you left out the actual evidence for verification.

Nabobalis · Dec 17, 2011

Lillen said:
Can you prove demons with the scientific methods?

For instance if i give a shark human blood, will that shark be able to make himself visible as a human as the sorcerers tape the shark and send him up to land?

I would say, stop playing so much DnD (or roll a monk).

Lillen · Dec 17, 2011

The question was, do demons exist?

The evidence was; Sharks or seadragons as they are called in hebrew, can be visible in human form as they eat the blood of a human. THis can be varified by others by giving a shark or piraya blood and then devoloping pictures in the dark room, the ancient way (before digital cameras was introduced to us).

You can repete the test over and over again, and varify it. And i do not play doungeouns and dragons with my own free will. I am not into that fetish!

CabVet · Dec 17, 2011

Lillen said:
The question was, do demons exist?

Translating this into a scientific hypothesis would look something like this:

H0: Demons do not exist.
H1: Demons exist.

Because we are trying to find evidence for the existence of demons, the null hypothesis is that they do not exist.

Lillen said:
The evidence was; Sharks or seadragons as they are called in hebrew, can be visible in human form as they eat the blood of a human.

This is not evidence, it's an assumption. You are assuming that sharks will take human form if they eat blood.

Lillen said:
THis can be varified by others by giving a shark or piraya blood and then devoloping pictures in the dark room, the ancient way (before digital cameras was introduced to us).

Why would the photography method influence your result?

Lillen said:
You can repete the test over and over again, and varify it. And i do not play doungeouns and dragons with my own free will. I am not into that fetish!

Fair enough. My question is, if we fed sharks blood and they didn't turn into humans, would you be convinced that demons do not exist?

By the way, proof reading your posts would help a lot!

Orogeny · Dec 18, 2011

Thread of the year.

CabVet · Dec 18, 2011

Orogeny said:
Thread of the year.

I gave a serious response, but know I think the OP might have been just trolling.

Lillen · Dec 18, 2011

No, I am tired of this accusations of me being a troll. The hebrew name for troll is liilith and the japanese is obi. In the west we give our obis medicaitons so that they are not that frightening towards people. schizophrenia with it's subdeases i think it's called. Or in more undestandable lanugange: people who are burnt at the stake. So if you ask me, "are you a troll?" the answer will be "Since i was burnt at the stake 10 years ago, but was given drugs, so that i do not appear like troll, i am a troll, but then again you wouldn't notice, since i am on drugs"

Lillen · Dec 18, 2011

And for me it is more then just a hypothesis, it can be tested, retested, falsified and varified. With se'irs or billygoats the sorcerers drink their blood, so that they can appear to the victim like devils.

Lillen · Dec 18, 2011

I did not say they turned into humans, i said that the dragons will be visible to others as human, as people used the same method of devoloping motionpictures. The shark will be a shark, but the soul of the human he drank will be the human soul visible on screen or on tape, while the afflicted sees him.

Funny somone mentioned dnd here, because it gives a hint of what sorcerers can do with people.

May i ask, do sharks exist, do crocodiles exist?? if so hebrews like to refer to these creatiures as dragons mentioned in the hebrew old testament as Laviathan and Tannin, and was thought to be fallen angels according to some theologicans. Se'irs, or hairy goats were thought to be the devil. - You do agree that fallen angels exists according to hebrew semantics? Crocodiles is not named crocodiles in hebrew, they are named dragons, or flooddragons, laviathan!

How you do it with computers i cannot tell, except with something on the harddrive.. I do not condemn people doing this, but i do not encourage anyone to test this, because it is hebrew sorcery, and in the bible it says that "Thou shall not allow a sorcerer to live".

In respons to goliath challange, it is when these human souls have sexual relationship with a human, they breed giants.

CabVet · Dec 18, 2011

Lillen said:
No, I am tired of this accusations of me being a troll. The hebrew name for troll is liilith and the japanese is obi. In the west we give our obis medicaitons so that they are not that frightening towards people. schizophrenia with it's subdeases i think it's called. Or in more undestandable lanugange: people who are burnt at the stake. So if you ask me, "are you a troll?" the answer will be "Since i was burnt at the stake 10 years ago, but was given drugs, so that i do not appear like troll, i am a troll, but then again you wouldn't notice, since i am on drugs"

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-1 extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional responsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-PCMAG_def-2 or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-IUKB_def-3

Lillen · Dec 18, 2011

The topic is how do we prove demons using scientific method... I posted the question, the information, and a guide-how-to prove it. It can be varified by others, and it can be retested by others. Even though i do not like anyone to be involved with hebrew black magic. And do not encourage anyone to do so.

'Science'

Even dr Randy, that famous false prophet, who says that everything can be expalined using science, mediums, sorcerery, faith healing, and so on. Everything can be explained by science..

And i gave a contribution to that with science of demons.

But unlikley from randy, i say Trust in Jesus, read the bible! as a side note...

RickG · Dec 18, 2011

Lillen said:
And for me it is more then just a hypothesis, it can be tested, retested, falsified and varified. With se'irs or billygoats the sorcerers drink their blood, so that they can appear to the victim like devils.

Are there demons in Valhalla?

thaumaturgy · Dec 18, 2011

Lillen said:
For instance if i give a shark human blood, will that shark be able to make himself visible as a human as the sorcerers tape the shark and send him up to land?

1. I don't think you have to "give" the shark human blood. They can usually get their own.

2. Why do the sorcerers need to tape the shark? Seems that if taping is involved then the transformation from shark to person is somewhat incomplete and/or faulty.

Either way the most accurate method of detecting demons is the Perkin-Elmer Demonscope 300R. It uses a flame ionization detector modified to detect evil at very high levels. Here's how it works:

The evil item (person, shark, ferret, housecat, whatever) is placed in the sample chamber where it is allowed to "outgas". The evil coming off the being will be collected into a secondary collection sample chamber and passed through the FID. The reason a "flame ionization detector" is used is because demons respond quite naturally to flame. It has to be modified in order to provide a hot enough flame (similar to the fires of hell) to create a measurable signal in FID.

The signal can then be integrated and the relative strength of the demon assessed.

So remember, when you are looking for good equipment for demonological studies, go to your nearest Fisher Scientific catalog and order the Perkin Elmer Demonscope 300R!

AV1611VET · Dec 18, 2011

Lillen said:
Can you prove demons with the scientific methods?

No -- science is myopic.

thaumaturgy · Dec 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
No.

Why not?

corvus_corax · Dec 18, 2011

Lillen said:
This can be varified. thus demons is proven to exist!

You are incorrect, this cannot be done
Never has been done.

Lillen said:
The question was, do demons exist?
The evidence was; Sharks or seadragons as they are called in hebrew, can be visible in human form as they eat the blood of a human.

Sorry, but you are incorrect
This does not happen

Lillen said:
THis can be varified by others by giving a shark or piraya blood and then devoloping pictures in the dark room, the ancient way (before digital cameras was introduced to us).

No it cannot be "verified" via that method
You are incorrect

Lillen said:
You can repete the test over and over again, and varify it.

No you can't, that's never going to happen

Lillen said:
And for me it is more then just a hypothesis, it can be tested, retested, falsified and varified. With se'irs or billygoats the sorcerers drink their blood, so that they can appear to the victim like devils.

You are incorrect in all but one point. It can be falsified. But it's never been verified

Lillen said:
The topic is how do we prove demons using scientific method... I posted the question, the information, and a guide-how-to prove it. It can be varified by others, and it can be retested by others.

No it cannot be verified, except in the case of "Wow, this never happens"

You are incorrect, end of story, that's all. You are simply wrong.
Again.

Have fun with your ideas of what Christianity and Judaism actually state.

corvus_corax · Dec 18, 2011

thaumaturgy said:
Why not?

Because, according to AV, science is short sighted
(honestly he gave his reason in his post)
Of course, he may be using the word "myopic" to mean lacking tolerance, or lacking understanding.
The same word could be thrown back at him, most theists, or heck most religious beliefs in general.

I dunno, it's almost always a semantic game with him
(still love ya, AV! )

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