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Well, i for one am very skeptic towards the existence of Satan. Out of any theological topic that can be discussed, it's Satan that makes 0 sense.
NO. "We" do not let them go to heaven. "We" do not approve of things you have spoken of.What you believe about them is meaningless.. because at the end you need to rationalize why it is good to just let these christians go to heaven with out any justification towards the pain they caused someone.
A liar told you that.So in the end, even murder --even burning of innocent people to even children-- now is just "swept under the rug".
This is bad theology. Please re-read my post, check the video link as well and then think about some of the things that happened by Christians in history, in addition to the verses I provide. Accepting Christ is much more deeper than what you just said here, and a non-christian has been shown to be more christ like than christians these days. We have to have reason and rationality when we read the scriptures, we can't just build our beliefs based on what we interpret from what is said at face value. We have to study it, and understand the circumstances IRL and during that time.
Why would a Christian such as the villagers who voted women and children to be burned alive due to believing they were witches have more rights at all to just go to heaven with out any payment for what they did? Not only does that make no sense but that shows a horrible god. If you imagine yourself as a family member of one of those victims and you saw someone just give that person an instant reward with out any punishment or justice on your behalf, you would be completely angry and if you pretend other wise you are lying or just completely heartless.
Hey... to you and me it may not be "logical" But... I'm not God and I don't have the right or power to decide that...
That is what the bible says. The bible is God's word. Who am I to question it?
I agree, there have been many terrible things done... Not only that but they were done in the Name of Christ or God...
One thing is for sure.. anyone who did these things in the name of God.. and was not covered by the blood.. will face eternal damantaion.
Problem is.. we don't know if they did it out of ignorance or under the teaching of someone that they trusted to be teaching the truth of God....
Like the demons who believe, but they shudder in terror.But they still accepted christ
There are non Christians who are more Christ like.. Big deal... They cannot "do" anything to get to heaven.. The only thing that pays for the sins of a human is death.
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He's not the one who lied to you.Jackbrat is not a liar. He is good nature, takes the time to read carefully and not ignore posts before answering. I disagree with him, but I know he is a good christian who is honest in his debates. You should take example of him.
You are not paying attention to what it says with enough detail. The conclusion you are drawing is different from what those scriptures are teaching.Well, I don't know what bible you read, but the one I read says this, which states that sinners with or without the law will be judged and perish as will those who who know the law will:
Romans 2:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
OR, this, which shows what I said... it is written on our hearts.
Romans 2:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Call me wrong all you want. I'm just stating facts from the canonized scripture which is the word of God.
The scripture is fine, his teaching is faulty. I am just saying that I take no part in that teaching of his.Well, yes, this all looks right, straight and truth from Scripture.
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Romans 2:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
OR, this, which shows what I said... it is written on our hearts.
Romans 2:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
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Obviously you didn't read the argument, you are just replying to me on impulse. You are like "he's wrong anyway!!" no need to comprehend or know the context of the argument. Just stop. You are really bad at this and you have a lot of learning (biblically) to do. OBTW. You need prayers because you preach a god of hate as shown in that tattoo thread and every other thread.He's not the one who lied to you.
He's been posting the truth to you,
and you reject it, because you believe the lies you have posted that someone told you.
God destroyed all the naions that sought to harm Israel.Obviously you didn't read the argument, you are just replying to me on impulse. You are like "he's wrong anyway!!" no need to comprehend or know the context of the argument. Just stop. You are really bad at this and you have a lot of learning (biblically) to do. OBTW. You need prayers because you preach a god of hate as shown in that tattoo thread and every other thread.
Well, read the bible. I have read it and Satan is real.
Remember, one of Satan's main goals is to ensure that people don't believe in him.
Another of his main goals is to have people believe that God is not real.
These two things work wonders for his cause.
God destroyed all the naions that sought to harm Israel.
God let Adam and Chavah sin, knowing how many billions woud perish forever .
God let the enemy host / start/ continue wars , just in the last 200 years,
that killed millions.
God let corporations and countries , under the beast system being prepared,
create hunger to the point of starving millions of children, as well as thousands dying every day of thirst/ dehydration.
To all who know and believe the TRUTH,
God is Perfectly Righteous and Just
Deuteronomy 32:4
“He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.”
King James Version (KJV)
To all who reject the TRUTH, He has stored up His wrath.
Woe to you who call righteousness evil,You just gave an argument to support an evil god. Please stop your militant/radical christianity. It's not only disgusting but it's making me lose IQ points.
But you don't know truth at all, you've lost nearly every debate and you portray a hateful message and a evil god. Just stop. Go do some studying, and praying, first because you are obviously so desperate to "refute me" and legitimize your militant like ego. You are a radical, and yes radical religions are not just false-religions but cancerous religions.QUOTE="Cis.jd, post: 73571872, member: 382775"]Yes. I've read the Bible. I've read and done all sorts of scriptural to historical studies on him. I study hard to find answers for everything i don't get, and satan is something i can't solve, which is weird since Catholics do consider him fact.. nevertheless I place him in my undetermined list. I can go in detail on reasons for my skepticism, but we are already in a big debate.
Just one thing, that line "satan's main goal is to make people not believe in him" is only from the movie End of Days (and that Anthony Hopkins movie). No where in the Bible does it warn that.[/QUOTE
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The Bible shows clearly that the enemy deceives the "whole world".
Since the TRUTH is that the prince of the power of the air controls the sons of disobedience (the whole world),
what then is it to deceive the whole world, except , in part, to get them to believe he doesn't even exist ? The Scripture is very clear. But,
without trusting God's Word, what God Says, you won't "get it" nor be able to "solve" it.
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Woe to you who call righteousness evil,
and woe to all who call wickedness good.
There is a great war right now. Greater than ever before - spiritually first, and all over the world.
NON-Radical religion is false religion (by your definition)
NO iq points needed -
ABBA YAHWEH REVEALS the truth to little children, as HIS WORD SAYS!!
and hides it from the "educated ones" .....
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