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I think the teachings of Jesus would be a good model for the curriculum. I was reading some old testament stuff the other day and was struck by how consistently God lamented the lack of judgment among his people. I think our current weird society where no one is supposed to judge but everyone does anyway is evidence that the teachings of Jesus are necessary for developing healthy, consistent judgment.That is why I suggested improved civic education.
I think the teachings of Jesus would be a good model for the curriculum. I was reading some old testament stuff the other day and was struck by how consistently God lamented the lack of judgment among his people. I think our current weird society where no one is supposed to judge but everyone does anyway is evidence that the teachings of Jesus are necessary for developing healthy, consistent judgment.
Yes, he does. He says we'll know who a person is by listening carefully to the things they say (e.g. from the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks).Does Jesus preach anything about knowing the candidates positions before voting?
Yes, he does. He says we'll know who a person is by listening carefully to the things they say (e.g. from the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks).
I don't think that word means what you think it means.bland
Yes, he does. He says we'll know who a person is by listening carefully to the things they say (e.g. from the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks).
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
In worldly terms it would probably be called active listening, and far from being too general, it is actually far too rare. The bible seems to suggest the people believed this to be some kind of miraculous ability, e.g. "Jesus, knowing what was in their heart, told them a story..." It's almost like mind reading, and it frightened and angered people all around him.That's too general.
I would prefer to hear your thoughts on whether it is possible to know who a person is based on what they say. Because, if you think careful listening really is just a bland paltitude, then chatting with you probably won't be much fun.Would you prefer "deepity"?
In worldly terms it would probably be called active listening, and far from being too general, it is actually far too rare. The bible seems to suggest the people believed this to be some kind of miraculous ability, e.g. "Jesus, knowing what was in their heart, told them a story..." It's almost like mind reading, and it frightened and angered people all around him.
See, Jesus wasn't promoting any government system. He was promoting the values of the kingdom of Heaven. In that place, this is how the citizens behave. It is a superior system to what we have today, if only people would practice it.
In worldly terms it would probably be called active listening, and far from being too general, it is actually far too rare. The bible seems to suggest the people believed this to be some kind of miraculous ability, e.g. "Jesus, knowing what was in their heart, told them a story..." It's almost like mind reading, and it frightened and angered people all around him.
See, Jesus wasn't promoting any government system. He was promoting the values of the kingdom of Heaven. In that place, this is how the citizens behave. It is a superior system to what we have today, if only people would practice it.
I hesitate to refer to careful listening as a small issue, but you are correct that it is one piece. Jesus said a lot about judgment and authority.If that were one small piece, then okay.
You've said a lot about the results of poor civic education, but what about the civic education itself? You suggest that it is better than something basic and obvious like careful listening. See, I've given several specific examples of Jesus' teachings, what they are, and why they make practical sense.Those are the sort of basic life advice that can be found anywhere and is generally need to function as an adult human. It really doesn't address the real problems of poor civic understanding in the public. I'm talking about the kind of things that lead voters:
* to vote for or against some one for something they have no control over or happens at a different level of government. The new stoplight on Main street that you hate has nothing to do with who the president is or what their party is. Likewise, Donald Trump didn't cause the economic crash in the Spring 2020, nor did Joe Bide cause eggs to go drastically in price a few years later. Both were caused by viruses.
* not understand that they can go and select party candidates in primaries
* not understand what certain elected officials do and who is running for what office.
and the list could go on. These are things that can be addressed with civics education and outreach, and no amount of generic life advice is going to make a difference when there are specific deficiencies in knowledge to target.
Seconday education is not my area of expertise. I would leave the details to the professionals in curriculum.You've said a lot about the results of poor civic education, but what about the civic education itself?
Pass.You suggest that it is better than something basic and obvious like careful listening. See, I've given several specific examples of Jesus' teachings, what they are, and why they make practical sense.
Keep religion out of government, like it should be.What does your alternative include?
I think governance should also be rational. Jesus said that it is important to use fair judgment. Do you think that should be kept out of government because it's part of what you view as religious? That is cognitive dissonance. I don't think that is a good alternative to what Jesus offered.Seconday education is not my area of expertise. I would leave the details to the professionals in curriculum.
Pass.
Keep religion out of government, like it should be.
Great, let's do that.I think governance should also be rational.
Don't need jesus to tell you that. This Jesus you offer is quite unremarkable.Jesus said that it is important to use fair judgment.
If the "religion" you offer is just some common advice that can be found in any number of ancient text then it is irrelevant to where it come from. If it is not so ordinary, then it has no place in government.Do you think that should be kept out of government because it's part of what you view as religious? That is cognitive dissonance. I don't think that is a good alternative to what Jesus offered.
Any amount of people have said the same. The trick about fair judgment is deciding what is fair. This has got us nowhere.Jesus said that it is important to use fair judgment.
Honestly, I think you're illustrating the very problem you're describing. Yes, sometimes discerning what is fair judgment can be tricky, but what's the alternative? You say that many people have said what Jesus said, but is there anyone doing what Jesus said? When I mentioned careful listening earlier, the response was that such a thing is too bland and obvious to be of much importance.The trick about fair judgment is deciding what is fair. This has got us nowhere.
A good understanding of institutions? What does that even mean?I have already suggested that democracy would benefit from a good understanding of the institutions of a democratic society; the chambers of Parliament, the justice system, the role of the press in a free society, local and national governance, international relations and so on.
Democratic institutions such as the system of voting and the alternative systems practised in other places; our bicameral Parliament and alternative forms in other countries; the structure of the justice system (ours is ancient and complicated by obscure historic terms); the function of the Monarch in a constitutional monarchy; other kinds of head of state such as executive President, nominal head of state; the media...Honestly, I think you're illustrating the very problem you're describing. Yes, sometimes discerning what is fair judgment can be tricky, but what's the alternative? You say that many people have said what Jesus said, but is there anyone doing what Jesus said? When I mentioned careful listening earlier, the response was that such a thing is too bland and obvious to be of much importance.
A good understanding of institutions? What does that even mean?
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