I personally knew a woman and her adult children who requested that the church allow her to divorce her very abusive husband. They said no and if she did she would be excommunicated. At that time all of her six children were under the age of thirteen. It wasn't until he fractured her skull and she almost died that they gave permission but only with the stipulation that she would never remarry.A person is not excommunicated for divorcing an abusive husband.
It is all pointless really. Someone would have to point out that they told a priest and the priest said nothing. Then someone would have to decide to go after the priest. A DA could make a big deal about it and do it for political reasons. Many would take it as pure persecution for exercising the tenets of one's faith by silence.
Here in Canada, DAs (Crown Attorneys) are not elected; neither are corners or Sheriffs. It's good to be Canadian.
I personally knew a woman and her adult children who requested that the church allow her to divorce her very abusive husband. They said no and if she did she would be excommunicated. At that time all of her six children were under the age of thirteen. It wasn't until he fractured her skull and she almost died that they gave permission but only with the stipulation that she would never remarry.
This happened in the 1950's so maybe things have changed since then.
Your post is exactly why "Like" needs to just be "+1".Just so everyone's up to date... Catholic adoption agencies need to adopt to same-sex couples. Catholic colleges and charities need to provide insurance coverage for contraception. Catholic hospitals need to perform emergency abortions. Catholic priests need to break the seal of confession. These are things that are either already real or are being discussed. When a notion about public good is in conflict with a religious protection, it's no longer the impulse in US law to err on the side of religious protections.
I personally knew a woman and her adult children who requested that the church allow her to divorce her very abusive husband. They said no and if she did she would be excommunicated. At that time all of her six children were under the age of thirteen. It wasn't until he fractured her skull and she almost died that they gave permission but only with the stipulation that she would never remarry.
This happened in the 1950's so maybe things have changed since then.
I've heard all kinds of stories too. We can't help it if there are bad priest ill advising people.I have my own experience where I can't believe what I was hearing from priests.I personally knew a woman and her adult children who requested that the church allow her to divorce her very abusive husband. They said no and if she did she would be excommunicated. At that time all of her six children were under the age of thirteen. It wasn't until he fractured her skull and she almost died that they gave permission but only with the stipulation that she would never remarry.
This happened in the 1950's so maybe things have changed since then.
I suppose that some of the time the person getting the bad advice might keep it to themselves and therefore no one would be able to try to correct the priest. But I think a women getting abused would seek further counsel if a priest gave such terrible advice. The person that hears of such a thing should do what David says, check the Canon law or other sources to make sure of the Church's position, then check into what the appropriate way to approach this issue should be. I think in the 50's one of the problems we had was the priest on a pedestal (you could extend this to a lot of professions) view. Authority was seen as irreproachable and so in instances where correction should have been pursued, things just kept rolling along.I've heard all kinds of stories too. We can't help it if there are bad priest ill advising people.I have my own experience where I can't believe what I was hearing from priests.
If I confessed murder, you know the priest would advise me to go turn myself in. The question would remain if I were sincere in being sorry. Not displaying a willingness to do what's right could easily be seen as a un contrite heart. And the priest could certainty have my penance be to turn myself in. I mean what penance would suit murder? How many hail Mary's and our father's cover murder?
My understanding is that this has already been widely understood to apply to Lutherans and Baptists and any other religion, covering the content of all individual counseling done by a pastor.The judge isn't trying to break the seal of the confessional, he's seem to think that it should be extended to ALL clergy of all religions or none at all.
My understanding is that this has already been widely understood to apply to Lutherans and Baptists and any other religion, covering the content of all individual counseling done by a pastor.
That's something.Well, according to an documentary I saw on, 60 minutes I think, Sammy The Bull Gravano, when he when to confession after entering the witness protection program confessed to 25 murders. He said his penance was to recite 1 rosary.
Then he had the unmitigated gall to defend himself and the penance as appropriate. It was really something to watch, the reporter was genuinely aghast
So, you know, he's going to heaven.
But all those couples using condoms ?
Anyway, it's stuff like this that drove my wife out of the Church. And that's way more open than I should be on this forum.
JWs don't have clergy nor do they have it sealed. Those elders blab to anyoneWidely understood and able to pass Constitutional muster are two different things. The article seems to indicate that the local DA is trying to convict a clergyman in the Jehovah Witnesses on the grounds that "sacramental confession" doesn't exist in the JW theology. The judge is making the point this if the clergyman is convicted on a narrow interpretation of what "sacramental confession" is, the law is likely unconstitutional
JWs don't have clergy nor do they have it sealed. Those elders blab to anyone
Why? Would you view this as giving you away as well?Well, according to an documentary I saw on, 60 minutes I think, Sammy The Bull Gravano, when he when to confession after entering the witness protection program confessed to 25 murders. He said his penance was to recite 1 rosary.
Then he had the unmitigated gall to defend himself and the penance as appropriate. It was really something to watch, the reporter was genuinely aghast
So, you know, he's going to heaven.
But all those couples using condoms ?
Anyway, it's stuff like this that drove my wife out of the Church. And that's way more open than I should be on this forum.
Your wife left the Church because she disagreed and you said that's way more open than you should be and you often show disagreement yourself so it makes one put 2 and 2 together.....huh .... ?
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