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Deconstructing the faith

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I don't have anything to say on the intention of the word "deconstruction." I think it misses the point.

It is possible to have more than one issue that is important. Is it important to discuss why they walk away? Yes. Is it important to discuss why the word is misused? Also yes. In order not to confuse those two topics, each of them deserves a separate thread. I am sure there were plenty of threads on the topic why people walk away. But nobody besides me ever made a thread about the word usage. Hence I came along and made a thread about the topic that has been overlooked.
 
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The way I see it is being a Christian is a process of building up faith layer by layer. And leaving that faith is a process of tearing it down layer by layer.
 
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"Faith deconstruction, also known as deconstructing faith, evangelical deconstruction, the deconstruction movement, or simply deconstruction, is a Christian phenomenon where people unpack, rethink and examine their belief systems. This may lead to dropping one's faith all together or may result in a stronger faith."

 
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That happens to be the meaning that I would have used. But then those other people are using a totally different meaning.
 
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The way I see it is being a Christian is a process of building up faith layer by layer. And leaving that faith is a process of tearing it down layer by layer.

Thats an interesting way of explaining that other usage. So then we have two ways of looking at the word deconstruct:

Meaning 1: Pull things apart to see their logical roles. An example would be to deconstruct the food recepie in order to see the logical role of each ingredient, and then use that information to see how you can improve it

Meaning 2: Take things away layer by layer. An example would be if you built something and you decided you don't need it any more. In this case you don't analyze the role of each layer to see which one is needed. Yet, you are still taking it apart layer by layer. So you still use the word deconstruct even though the logical role of each layer is no longer important.

I guess to me, in the context of faith, I want to use Meaning 1, but they want to use Meaning 2.

Maybe the difference between Meaning 1 situation and Meaning 2 situation is that meaning 1 pertains to ideas while meaning 2 pertains to physical things. Like in case of a recipie, thats not physical: thats an idea on how to build the physical. But in case of the building it is physical.

So if, instead of a recipie (not physical), you were to have an actual dish (physical) then physically deconstructing it would be a bad idea: then you won't be able to pull it back together. Well, you would be able to replicate it with a different dish. But in case of faith you don't want a different Jesus (2 Cor 11:4), there is only one Jesus. So if you don't want to replicate a dish with a different one, you clearly don't want to deconstruct it (is this where Hebrews 6:6 and Hebrews 10:26 come from?)

On the other hand, what if instead of a building (physical) you had a design of a building (not physical). In this case, in the scenario of wanting to get rid of it altogether, would you really need to take it down layer by layer? No of course not: you just forget the whole thing. But if the building is physical, thats when you take it layer by layer (hence the word deconstruct in its second meaning).

So maybe the reason why I assign Meaning 1 to the faith context and other people assign Meaning 2 to it, is that my faith is more intellectual, while other people's faith is more tangible? For example, I been wondering how can people with Alzcheimer still be saved if they lost their intellectual capacities to have faith in Jesus? Or how can infants be saved without knowing Jesus? Thats because I think of faith of Jesus as an intellectual pursuit. But others, when they picture relationship with Jesus as something more tangible, then of course Jesus can take care of both infants and Alzcheimer's patients. Just like both infants and Alzcheimers patients can live in a bulding without having intellecutal capabilities to see how that building is being built.

So maybe the fact that I picture faith as more intellectual while others picutre it as more physical is the reason for disagreement with regards to word usage, too.

As a matter of fact, people that "deconstruct their faith" might be a prime example of how it is more than just an intellectual pursuit. Intellectually, they already decided that they don't believe. Yet on practice its still there. So they have to deconstruct it, with Meaning 2 of the word, just like they would any building thats there.

In fact look at it this way. Intellectually, I have more faith than them. I keep choosing to continue to believe, yet they chose not to. But in terms of the actual physical relationship with Jesus, they have it more real than me. Here I am wondering "what does it mean to have a relationship with Jesus", "can it be something more than an abstraction", etc? But in their case they KNOW its real, thats why they have to deconstruct it with Meaning 2, treating it just as real as any other building. If only I saw what they see (its not about "knowing" any more, its about "seeing") this would probably address most of MY faith issues. Except that, unlike them, I would say "thank you Father for SHOWING the building to me, I will cherish it" -- unlike them, who want to deconstruct it.
 
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I have been hearing this word quite a bit lately especially by those who have been raised in a particular denomination during their impressionable years. It's a good word to use because it implies that " building back" is a possibility, in other words, there is still hope.One very important fact to keep in mind is, building back ones faith comes by vastly different time frames and for many the first stage is to walk away.
A Pastor's responsibility is to keep the fold in truth however ,we know this is not always the case and doubt will arise. Doubt is not in the Kingdom of God and He knows the heart of all. It is better to walk away from confusion and doubt rather than play a part in deception.
Deconstructors are seekers. They need to process what they learned, un-learn it and learn again in truth. It may be that their truth is complete apostasy or complete submission either way, our Father only lives in the believer and His dwelling place is only contained in love. Blessings.
 
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I have been hearing this word quite a bit lately especially by those who have been raised in a particular denomination during their impressionable years.

Can you tell me what denomination is it? That would shine a lot of light on my other questions.

It's a good word to use because it implies that " building back" is a possibility, in other words, there is still hope.

Is it because, going with Meaning 2 (as I described in the previous post), if you pull the building apart into bricks, you can still build a new building out of those bricks, but if you just ruin it by an explosion of some sort then you won't be able to build it back together? If so, that makes sense.

By the way, it is ironic that you said how the meaning of "deconstruct" is a hope of building it back. Because the pastor in the sermon said the opposite. He told us they have no hope via Hebrews 6:6 and Hebrews 10:26, and he told us we shouldn't even pray for them (quoting 1 John 5:16)

By the way, I can tell you exactly who that pastor is. So he has a website called "Torah Unleashed", which is here Olive Tree |Albuquerque | Torah Unleashed Its also called Olive Tree as well, but there are other congregations with the same name. So the "Olive Tree" I am talking about is the one in Albuquerque. He posts his sermons on youtube https://www.youtube.com/@TorahUnleashed Now when I go to his youtube channel I see some sermons from months ago. But try to find the recent ones (from last week and two weeks ago). Thats where he talked about deconstructing.

Deconstructors are seekers. They need to process what they learned,

Yes, thats how I understood the term (with Meaning 1). But it seemed to have been used differently. Because some of the people on youtube videos that talked about deconstructing, were talking about painful experiences as opposed to being seekers. Those are two different things.
 
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It is quite common within "hyper Charismatic" victims. They basically invented the use of this word. But it can be used for any denomination pushing an unholy agenda. Honestly all Pastors would have a problem with a congregant deconstructing, it directly reflects badly on the them.
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It is quite common within "hyper Charismatic" victims.

If its the Charismatics, then this ties together with what I meant in Post 26. Because Charismatics believe in physical manifestations of faith (tongues, and so forth) while baptists believe tongues ended in the 1-st century, and are viewing the faith more from intellectual standpoint.

But then again, baptist would also be opposed to the practice. Because, from baptist standpoint, faith is a bunch of solos. So there is nothing to deconstruct. The very fact of deconstructing amounts to denial of those solos, which baptist views as a heresy.

But, at the same time, if a baptist decides to leave their faith, they won't deconstruct it. They would just walk away (again, you can't deconstruct a solo). The only way it is relevant to a baptist is that a baptist can criticize someone else deconstructing it.

On the other hand, for a charismatic, yes, they can in fact deconstruct it. Since they picture it as something real, like a building. And with a real building you would have to pull it apart layer by layer, even if you already decided you don't want it altogether.

So, long story short: the person deconstructing would have to come from charismatic origin. But a person criticizing someone else who deconstruct can be either charismatic or baptist, but the way in which they criticize them would be different.

Do you think this theory is the reason why its the charismatics that came up with a term? Or do you think its a different theory? What is your opinion?

They basically invented the use of this word.

Do you have any specific details on when that word was invented and by whom?

Honestly all Pastors would have a problem with a congregant deconstructing, it directly reflects badly on the them.

It depends on the meaning you attach to this word.

Looking at my post 26, if the meaning is 1, I don't see how it would reflect badly on them. On the contrary, it can reflect good on them since they taught their congregants to think critically. As a matter of fact, what that very pastor is doing in his sermons I would have called deconstructing (with meaning 1 attached to the word) and to me its the main thing I like about him. So if people in his congregation were to deconstruct with this meaning of the word then its great: his teaching was successful. Thats also why it was so surprising he talked of it in the negative terms: I would have expected him to praise it.

On the other hand, if the meaning is 2 then yes it would reflect badly on them, I agree. Obvously you don't like the building if you want to take it apart. The fact that you take it layer by layer that doesn't change much of anything (other than a remote possibility of rebuilding it in the future, I suppose).
 
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Your pastor is correct.

Deconstruct is to tear down, and construct is to build up.

You are misunderstanding the word.
 
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