Nathan Poe
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I believe the concept of Separation of Church and State was to prevent the Church from executing people for immorality as had been done in Europe and is now being done by the Muslims,
But clirus -- don't you want to execute people for immorality?
and to prevent the State from establishing morals as was done by the courts legalizing pornography, abortion and homosexuality.
But clirus -- isn't outlawing these things also establishing morals? Are you saying the state should do neither?
Both the Church and State are in the business of providing guidelines for people to live, so they will always be in agreement or in conflict.
The difference being that the state has a lot more muscle to actually enforce their guidelines.
The best way to deal with Separation of Church and State was stated by Blackstone.
William Blackstone: Of the Nature of Laws in General
William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England states, "This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other-It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."
The key point stated by Blackstone is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid.
Well, good thing we kicked him to the curb! We'd have to toss out the most important parts of the Constitution otherwise!
This means that not everything stated in the Bible should be made into law, but that the Bible should be bases for all Laws.
But that would mean we would need someone to tell us which parts of the Bible should be made into law.
Let me guess -- you nominate yourself, clirus?
This concept of Law is hated by Atheists because there evil cannot be made legal, and they have been very successful in legalizing pornography, abortion and homosexuality.
Which is precisely why your concept of law is untenable.
The Church and State can work together for the good of good people.
And for the detriment of you.
The Church should oppose sin/evil in obedience to God, and the State should oppose evil/sin because of health and economic reasons.
And so they do -- they just disagree with you about what sin/evil is.
Or, they realize (which you do not) that attempting to outlaw certain sins/evils would only result in the creation of even worse sins/evils -- realizing that, they prefer the lesser of the evils.
Consider the 18th Amendment, clirus -- it's precisely the sort of thing you're talking about, and it failed miserably.
Care to discuss why?
Evil is anything the Bible calls sin and physical reality shows lead to disease, death and destruction. The Bible is God's instructions on living a healthy lifestyle.
Is that all it is? I thought there more to it than that.
Adultery and homosexuality are examples of things that are evil/sin.
And attempting to quash them only leads to more evil/sin
Christians need to control the government, but not use the government. When Atheists get control of the government, they use the government to spread Atheism.
How does one control something without using it?
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