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You haven't encountered fine tuning. You don't care enough to research it to see what is there. IF you don't want to even look how would you ever think that you would change your position?
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And that is fine by me. Just understand that what you view as evidence for god I just don't see any divinity in. Likewise, it won't matter how often you bring it up, without adding something I have never encountered before, you won't be able to change my position.
No. I am not going to stop mentioning fine tuning is relevant to my position because even those scientists that do not hold my position think it is a reasonable conclusion.
In fact so reasonable that the multiverse is the other most reasonable option to those who don't want God:
If there is only one universe, Brandon Carr says, you might have to have a fine-tuner. If you dont want God, youd better have a multiverse.
You haven't encountered fine tuning. You don't care enough to research it to see what is there. IF you don't want to even look how would you ever think that you would change your position?
You haven't encountered fine tuning. You don't care enough to research it to see what is there. IF you don't want to even look how would you ever think that you would change your position?
Fine tuning is no more than, "If our universe were different then we would observe a different universe".
You are painting the bullseye around the bullet hole.
How many planets are there, and how many have we extensively searched for life?
We still don't know if Mars has life, or has had life. We also don't know if Europa has life. Those are two bodies just in our solar system.
You are painting the bullseye around the bullet hole.
If the constants were different then the universe would be different. No one is debating that. What you forget is that a different universe would have unique features that require the different constants found in that universe. A universe without life can still be fine tuned.
Then you will turn around and say that fine tuning supports a designer, followed by a sentence stating that scientists agree with you about fine tuning.
Does design of the universe not include fine tuning?I didn't say that fine tuning was unfalsifiable.
You inability to examine your personal 'evidence' for God. You have declared it infallible.I don't know what you are referring to.
A claim I make which is not agreed by consensus of scientists is that fine tuning of the universe supports design.
You don't get it at all. Your claim is that since we are here there is no issue.
That you ignore that it is an issue either means you don't know what you are talking about, you don't understand what astrophysicists are talking about or you simply don't want to know what they are talking about.
I said it wouldn't matter because the universe would be life permitting and you would have to explain it.
No, you simply don't understand the issue.
Fine tuned for what?
I have consistently maintained that the scientists agree that the universe is fine tuned for life's existence. A claim I make which is not agreed by consensus of scientists is that fine tuning of the universe supports design.
Examples?
Right, because an unevidenced deity magically poofing the universe into being is such a reasonable conclusion.
Fine tuning is no more than, "If our universe were different then we would observe a different universe".
If there is only one universe, Brandon Carr says, you might have to have a fine-tuner. If you dont want God, youd better have a multiverse.
NO it is more like if our universe were different then we would not be here to observe it.
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Who is Brandon Carr? Can't seem to find him.
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But it's fine-tuned for US! For HUMANS! If it were any different, we couldn't be here! Therefore, god!
Why are you assuming I haven't looked? I have to take into account both sides of the issue and all in between, I can't just look at sources that support one particular conclusion, not that all the sources you cite actually support your conclusion.
Sure, you probably have looked into it more than I have, but that doesn't make me uninformed.
And to show how quick I am, I figured it out in at least 30 or 40 seconds that probably was not who she meant.Outside linebacker for the Steelers?
No, it is not therefore God. It is supportive of that position and one that is cohesive with theism.
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