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But that explanation doesn't make sense. If all humans will ever become is a different sort of human than how did an ape become a human? Why not a different sort of an ape?
No, we are not apes at all. We are manKIND. Not apeKIND.
Not taxonomically. Even the man who started it (Linneaus, a creationists) classified humans and apes together. Tell me, do humans have opposable thumbs? Are they bipedal? Do we have a rotating shoulder? Do we have hair? Do we have forward facing eyes? Do we share the same bones? How about the same organs? Do we have the same number of hair follicles on our body?No, we are not apes at all. We are manKIND. Not apeKIND.
Not taxonomically. Even the man who started it (Linneaus, a creationists) classified humans and apes together. Tell me, do humans have opposable thumbs? Are they bipedal? Do we have a rotating shoulder? Do we have hair? Do we have forward facing eyes? Do we share the same bones? How about the same organs? Do we have the same number of hair follicles on our body?
By the way, in case you don't know, the answer to every single question here is 'yes.' Tell me, what biological feature sets us apart?
In both of these posts, You're getting caught up in semantics.
You can call an ape/human whatever you want, it doesn't change the fact of common descent.
Furthermore, it's a principle in taxonomy that anything descended from X is a type of X. This is simply by definition/convention. The definition doesn't mean anything appart from that it implies common descent. So when a scientists says "X are Y" they mean "X descended from Y", by definition.
So if humans are descended from apes, then humans should be considered a kind of ape, by this convention. Furthermore, by convention, anything that descends from humans, if anything ever does, should be considered a type of human. Humans could look totally different and change in entirity, but if there's still common descent, whatever comes out of it is still "human"
So evolution can make kinds of changes, but we're still apes, just by semantic convention.
They've actually been able to train monkeys to do sign language, with some success... it's not easy to do but not impossible either.We are made in the image and likeness of God. We can speak.
If there was any common descent at all it would be that apes came from man not the other way around.
I think we can see same patterns among any living thing when it comes to the basics of functionality of the body. Of course we all ( humans, animals ) have common things, organs, body parts, reproduction ect ect .. But we all are still very distinct in our own kind. Biologically we have alot of same things in common, and things different. Even as far as the Genome where evolutionists insist how identical we are to apes because of the amount of chomos we have compared to them. But id like to point out that the information in the chromosome is entirely different from a human and an ape, which makes us all distinct.Not taxonomically. Even the man who started it (Linneaus, a creationists) classified humans and apes together. Tell me, do humans have opposable thumbs? Are they bipedal? Do we have a rotating shoulder? Do we have hair? Do we have forward facing eyes? Do we share the same bones? How about the same organs? Do we have the same number of hair follicles on our body?
By the way, in case you don't know, the answer to every single question here is 'yes.' Tell me, what biological feature sets us apart?
I think we can see same patterns among any living thing when it comes to the basics of functionality of the body. Of course we all ( humans, animals ) have common things, organs, body parts, reproduction ect ect .. But we all are still very distinct in our own kind. Biologically we have alot of same things in common, and things different. Even as far as the Genome where evolutionists insist how identical we are to apes because of the amount of chomos we have compared to them. BUt id like to point out that the information in the chromosome is entirely different from a human and an ape, which makes us all distinct.
Thats not entirely true. Because there is a distinct difference between evolutions. one way we see it, is small changes with in a species to adapt to environment. But the oter view is the gaining of NEW information to transition into a new being. ie reptiles to birds, big differnece between a scale and a feather. on a biological level they have no similarities at all. theyir entire purpose and functions have nothing to do with one another, and the demand for new information to change from one species into a whole other new species lacks if im correct in living animals. I think its been concluded that cells can not gain new information, but instead lose information through mutation.Yes. Especially since the term "macroevolution"just means evolution at or above the species level and microevolution is variation within a species. At least, if you're using the biological definition. And there is no barrier between them. Just like there is no barrier between walking 10 feet and 10 miles. One just takes longer.
Thats not entirely true. Because there is a distinct difference between evolutions. one way we see it, is small changes with in a species to adapt to environment. But the oter view is the gaining of NEW information to transition into a new being. ie reptiles to birds, big differnece between a scale and a feather.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh so THIS is how you debate. So enlightening!
This has got to be the most unfounded mop-bucket of garbage I've heard in a while.Let's face it, the vast majority of the creationist movement is in the United States, so I think making the "un-American" statement is well justified.
So to the creationists, please, I'm begging you, please just show a little bit of modesty and give this fight up. You are doing no good by trying to push your particular brand of The Truth™. The United States has been a global leader in sciences and technologies for the past hundred years or so, and yet you want to take this country that has given so much to the world and turn it into a place that scorns innovation.
Yes you think you're doing good by trying to get creationism or "intelligent design" or whatever into classrooms, but you're not. By teaching this particular "controversy" you're doing nothing but hurting yourselves. You think evolutionary theory and biology are threatening to your religion, but the real problem is that you can't see the forest for the trees. If you are successful in getting creationism into classrooms you will do nothing but destroy any chances future generations of American children have in the global marketplace.
You think people losing low-paying jobs to immigrants is bad? Just wait until you have to start importing scientists and engineers because the natives are receiving an education sub-standard to the rest of the world.
You lot have your own quaint little view of the world, how you think it was created, but the fact of the matter is that world view does not pay the bills; it doesn't create the medicine; it doesn't help the economy; it doesn't do anything but feed your own hubris. So for the good of the other 60% of the population and the rest of the world at large, just swallow your pride and go with whatever actually works (hint: it's not creationism)
I thought God was a Spirit. Guess he's got 2 Arms & 2 Legs with 10 fingers & 10 Toes.We are made in the image and likeness of God. We can speak.
You call this a debate?
That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.
Entirely different? Something like 97% of our DNA is also in chimpanzees, and of that 97%, around 98% of the sequences are identical. Under what definition would you call that "entirely different"?I think we can see same patterns among any living thing when it comes to the basics of functionality of the body. Of course we all ( humans, animals ) have common things, organs, body parts, reproduction ect ect .. But we all are still very distinct in our own kind. Biologically we have alot of same things in common, and things different. Even as far as the Genome where evolutionists insist how identical we are to apes because of the amount of chomos we have compared to them. But id like to point out that the information in the chromosome is entirely different from a human and an ape, which makes us all distinct.
Oh, that is by far not the reason why we say that we descend from a common ancestor. The primary reason is not that we have similarities, but rather that we have a specific pattern of similarities. This is an important point. Common descent expects:I would never make a claim, if i were a scientist, that we all are the same ancestors of anything just because we have the same , or close amount of chromosomes. you need to go deeper and look at the genetic information itself, then you see differnce.
Well, sure, you have the freedom to ignore science. But you'd be violating the separation of church and state to take evolution out of the schools, or worse to have intelligent design taught in the public schools. And doing so significantly damages science education in our country. We have a huge fraction of the current generation that is missing this incredibly important fact of biology.Opposing the status quo is now un-American. Oh no! Freedom to not believe in evolution isn't American! BAD FREEDOM!!!!
I don't see you any different then people like these:
Show us one medicine that was created using ID. Show us anything of scientific value to come from creationism.This has got to be the most unfounded mop-bucket of garbage I've heard in a while.
All unfounded. All unprovable.
Can you back up ANY of your allegations with substantial and reliable, un-liberalized reports of this occurance?
Oh, they can be laborers. We still need ditch diggers and fast food cooks. But where science and innovation are concerned, beliefs and feeling have nothing to do with reality. Facts rule.If a person's particular belief of creation VS. evolution is preventing them from being an active, effective laborer in the economy....phew...how ever will the average joe support all the illegal's and their kids?
Which Christian beliefs. Be specific.Ah, yes....how "un-American" a country founded on Christian beliefs....being flushed down the toilet....
There is a correlation. The more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in creationism (or God) and the more money they are likely to make.A person's intelligence or income is by no means based upon their belief of how the world came to be.
Not evolved. Just educated.Surely anyone knows that.....unless of course, they arent "highly evolved enough" to connect such a thing.
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