Country Song Breaks Record for Longest Running No. 1 Song in US History

D.A. Wright · Aug 1, 2019

I don't memorize or carefully archive every bit of information I've consumed in my life, so let's not assume that every word written, or the web site from which it's taken, is the whole sum and shrine of my position on this subject, but Dr. Nedley has been influential in my conclusions, and if anyone wishes to challenge him personally (not merely regarding this single article, but) in this area of health care and maintenance, I would strongly suggest thorough preparation. He is no slouch in the field.

Music and the Frontal Lobe

D.A. Wright · Aug 1, 2019

SummerMadness said:
Becoming indignant because you can't cite your sources is not the way to go. Making claims about music and its effects on the brain is not "your experience," it's an unsupported claim; then again, it's obvious this is not based on reality when discussing audio and not even broaching the temporal lobe. Moreover, increasing the frequency of a sound higher and higher means you won't be able to hear it anymore (e.g., like a dog whistle). No, they are not producing music for humans that only dogs can hear.

By the way, it's quite amusing that you think I need you to tell me what constitutes my experience. Oh, and "the way to go." You really are quite esteemed among yourself, aren't you?

SummerMadness · Aug 1, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
He wasn't talking about the frequency of sound waves themselves; he was talking about how frequently audio content is over-compressed.

I only read it that way because he was making nonsensical statements about eardrums and the frontal lobe.

SummerMadness · Aug 1, 2019

David Wright said:
I don't memorize or carefully archive every bit of information I've consumed in my life, so let's not assume that every word written, or the web site from which it's taken, is the whole sum and shrine of my position on this subject, but Dr. Nedley has been influential in my conclusions, and if anyone wishes to challenge him personally (not merely regarding this single article, but) in this area of health care and maintenance, I would strongly suggest thorough preparation. He is no slouch in the field.

Music and the Frontal Lobe

You just did a Google search of the music and frontal lobe...

Neil Nedley is a physician, which means NOT a scientist; and it shows with a "rock music is bad statement" (we might as well call him Dr. Nick). Meanwhile, you can read an actual paper on music and the brain that demonstrates that the brain responds the same regardless of its complexity, lyrical content, genre, etc.: Network Science and the Effects of Music Preference on Functional Brain Connectivity: From Beethoven to Eminem

You would be better served to read the actual literature on the brain and music as opposed to the musings of Dr. Nick.

iluvatar5150 · Aug 1, 2019

David Wright said:
I don't memorize or carefully archive every bit of information I've consumed in my life, so let's not assume that every word written, or the web site from which it's taken, is the whole sum and shrine of my position on this subject, but Dr. Nedley has been influential in my conclusions, and if anyone wishes to challenge him personally (not merely regarding this single article, but) in this area of health care and maintenance, I would strongly suggest thorough preparation. He is no slouch in the field.

Music and the Frontal Lobe

Yes, he is a slouch. I just hit up an academic journal search and turned up almost nothing by him, and nothing related to this subject. Weimar doesn't even have a bio page for him - just a picture and an email link. If he weren't a slouch, he'd have a bunch of relevant publications that would be easy to find.

Aside from that, I'm skeptical of the claims of this piece. The Schreckenberg paper seems to underpin the core of his argument, but I can't access it because it was published in 1987 and the digital archives I have available for that journal only go back to 1999. But other papers I've seen that site the same paper make reference to the problems being associated with arhythmic or non-rhythmic sounds, which, contrary to what Nedley claims, is the exact opposite of rock music. Rock music is highly rhythmic. The steady pulsating rhythm is one of the genre's defining characteristics.

I don't know what he means by "disharmonic" with regards to percussion - most percussion instruments used in western pop/rock music are either atonal or are so harmonically complex that they may as well be atonal. For them, the notion of harmony is practically meaningless.

D.A. Wright · Aug 1, 2019

SummerMadness said:
You just did a Google search of the music and frontal lobe...

Neil Nedley is a physician, which means NOT a scientist; and it shows with a "rock music is bad statement" (we might as well call him Dr. Nick). Meanwhile, you can read an actual paper on music and the brain that demonstrates that the brain responds the same regardless of its complexity, lyrical content, genre, etc.: Network Science and the Effects of Music Preference on Functional Brain Connectivity: From Beethoven to Eminem

You would be better served to read the actual literature on the brain and music as opposed to the musings of Dr. Nick.

Wow. I forgive you for wrongfully accusing me of deceit. I'm assuming that you know not what you do.

Dr. Nedley is an internal medicine specialist of 30+ years experience and president of Weimar Institute and University. I don't know that I ever referred to him as a scientist, but his credentials seem fairly impressive to me. Which regionally accredited university and hospital do you preside over?

Ok, now, Scientist, in saying that a "rock music is bad" statement disqualifies the author as an authority, aren't we engaging in the logical fallacy of "secundum quid"?

D.A. Wright · Aug 1, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
Yes, he is a slouch. I just hit up an academic journal search and turned up almost nothing by him, and nothing related to this subject. Weimar doesn't even have a bio page for him - just a picture and an email link. If he weren't a slouch, he'd have a bunch of relevant publications that would be easy to find.

Shoot him an email. I'm sure you'll find him a very pleasant and humble person to chat with.

tulc · Aug 1, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
Here's a good country song;

Always loved that song!
tulc(Old Crow Medicine Show did a great version as well)

dzheremi · Aug 1, 2019

SummerMadness said:
Music evolves, that's why rock from the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and so on, sounds distinct as time progresses. That's why trap artist and Grandmaster Flash occupy the same genre, yet sound completely different. When I hear people complain, the get off my lawn vibes are strong.

Well get off everyone's lawn, then. Geez...dang kids.

I agree that music evolves, but that's a different question than whether or not anyone has to like the way that it has evolved. I don't like disco, house music, or industrial music either, but this thread is about a country song, so it's entirely appropriate to point out how modern country is terrible, if that's the sentiment one wants to express.

Plenty of terrible things get on the charts and stay there. The best selling single in the world ever (with over 50 million sold, if we count all formats and editions) isn't the Beatles, isn't Michael Jackson, isn't Elvis, isn't any of these artists that ~99.999% of people in the Western world would imagine to be likely candidates for this honor due to their influence on modern music -- it's "White Christmas" by Bing Crosby. A standard, no doubt, but not exactly anyone's favorite song or terribly influential on anyone, unless you only talk to people 80 years old and up about their favorite music. (It was first recorded in 1942, so you have to be at least 77 years old to have lived in a world where it was once a contemporary pop hit, rather than relegated to being a part of the stodgy Christmas holiday/shopping canon.)

SummerMadness · Aug 1, 2019

David Wright said:
Wow. I forgive you for wrongfully accusing me of deceit. I'm assuming that you know not what you do.

Dr. Nedley is an internal medicine specialist of 30+ years experience and president of Weimar Institute and University. I don't know that I ever referred to him as a scientist, but his credentials seem fairly impressive to me. Which regionally accredited university and hospital do you preside over?

Ok, now, Scientist, in saying that a "rock music is bad" statement disqualifies the author as an authority, aren't we engaging in the logical fallacy of "secundum quid"?

I'm pretty sure he's a great internist, which has absolutely nothing to do with neuroscience, neuroimaging, or music. Considering he has no publication record, there is no reason to be impressed by his credentials because they aren't even relevant to the subject matter of this topic.

SummerMadness · Aug 1, 2019

dzheremi said:
Well get off everyone's lawn, then. Geez...dang kids.

I agree that music evolves, but that's a different question than whether or not anyone has to like the way that it has evolved. I don't like disco, house music, or industrial music either, but this thread is about a country song, so it's entirely appropriate to point out how modern country is terrible, if that's the sentiment one wants to express.

Plenty of terrible things get on the charts and stay there. The best selling single in the world ever (with over 50 million sold, if we count all formats and editions) isn't the Beatles, isn't Michael Jackson, isn't Elvis, isn't any of these artists that ~99.999% of people in the Western world would imagine to be likely candidates for this honor due to their influence on modern music -- it's "White Christmas" by Bing Crosby. A standard, no doubt, but not exactly anyone's favorite song or terribly influential on anyone, unless you only talk to people 80 years old and up about their favorite music. (It was first recorded in 1942, so you have to be at least 77 years old to have lived in a world where it was once a contemporary pop hit, rather than relegated to being a part of the stodgy Christmas holiday/shopping canon.)

Don't knock standards!

I think a song becoming a standard means it was that influential that everyone does their own rendition of it. While people today may not appreciate the impact of that song, its impact on the wider industry is evident. It's kind of like "Yesterday" by the Beatles; at some point, it will just be a standard song devoid of its Fab Four origin, but it will be a song represented by a major impact on music. This song by Lil Nas X will probably not have that impact.

I think too many people sleep on Burt Bacharach and Hal David, I love their tunes.

Go Braves · Oct 28, 2019

A gal on here showed a video with this song in another thread, now it's stuck in my head, lol. It's definitely catchy.

Go Braves · Nov 1, 2019

Dang, it's still stuck in my head. Thanks a lot, @Stanfordella Lol.

Go Braves · Nov 1, 2019

SummerMadness said:
Don't knock standards!

I think a song becoming a standard means it was that influential that everyone does their own rendition of it. While people today may not appreciate the impact of that song, its impact on the wider industry is evident. It's kind of like "Yesterday" by the Beatles; at some point, it will just be a standard song devoid of its Fab Four origin, but it will be a song represented by a major impact on music. This song by Lil Nas X will probably not have that impact.

I think too many people sleep on Burt Bacharach and Hal David, I love their tunes.

Huh I've never heard of either. Maybe I ought to give them a listen see if their songs can unstick the song.

dzheremi · Nov 1, 2019

I agree 100% with SummerMadness on this (just didn't see his reply until now). Definitely check out Burt Bacharach and Hal David. They wrote for Dionne Warwick in her prime. (Before any of that weird phone psychic network stuff. Yikes.)

One of their biggest hits in the 1960s ^

I was very lucky to see Burt Bacharach in concert accompanying Elvis Costello c. 1998, promoting an album the two of them were releasing at the time. The man still had it! (And Elvis Costello himself is great, too. It was mostly just piano and voice, but he did the encore -- "Watching the Detectives" and I think some others -- with guitar. Fantastic!)

Ada Lovelace · Nov 4, 2019

Go Braves said:
Dang, it's still stuck in my head. Thanks a lot, @Stanfordella Lol.

You're welcome.

Bahaha.

It was not love at first listen for me! It was more like I capitulated to its popularity and decided that if I was going hear it repeatedly regardless, I might as well develop some fondness for it. One of my trainers absolutely loves the song and played it on a loop this summer. It's why I used it along with his other fav in the video I made for his birthday!

Just be happy it's the original version. My baby sister loves the Kidz Bop cover. My dad asked her over the summer how many more times she was going to listen to it, and she was basically like "I'm gonna ride till I can't no more!"

Ada Lovelace · Nov 4, 2019

Go Braves said:
Huh I've never heard of either. Maybe I ought to give them a listen see if their songs can unstick the song.

What the World Needs Now is Love is one of the most famous songs Burt Bacharach wrote, and I believe Dione Warwick performed it. Since I'm in a sharing mood, haha, this is of me dancing last year to Reigns' cover of the song:

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Nov 4, 2019

dzheremi said:
Still haven't heard it. I assume I'm not missing anything, since new country is to country as apples are to giant camel spiders.

I don't care for the song. I think it more for little kids. My 4 year old nephew loves it. Alexa plays it all the time for him. I listen to country music. And I've never heard it played on the radio.

Go Braves · Nov 4, 2019

Stanfordella said:
What the World Needs Now is Love is one of the most famous songs Burt Bacharach wrote, and I believe Dione Warwick performed it. Since I'm in a sharing mood, haha, this is of me dancing last year to Reigns' cover of the song:

Amazing talent!!! But oh jeepers this song is a worse one to get stuck in my head than the other one, lol. Enjoyed the videos so it was worth getting the song stuck.

SummerMadness · Nov 5, 2019

dzheremi said:
I agree 100% with SummerMadness on this (just didn't see his reply until now). Definitely check out Burt Bacharach and Hal David. They wrote for Dionne Warwick in her prime. (Before any of that weird phone psychic network stuff. Yikes.)

One of their biggest hits in the 1960s ^

I was very lucky to see Burt Bacharach in concert accompanying Elvis Costello c. 1998, promoting an album the two of them were releasing at the time. The man still had it! (And Elvis Costello himself is great, too. It was mostly just piano and voice, but he did the encore -- "Watching the Detectives" and I think some others -- with guitar. Fantastic!)

My favorite is "A House Is Not a Home" or as I like to call it, "A Chair Is Not a House." Probably the best version is the cover Luther Vandross sang for Dionne Warwick at the 1988 NAACP Image Awards.

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