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Could Christ Have Returned?

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"But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father." (Mat 24:36)

Notice the specificity of this passage.

It is quite evident that God has already determined what day He will return on, even down to the very hour of when this event will unfold.

Some seem to think that He could have returned long ago, but hasn't because of our poor behavior. In fact, they even suggest that there were several occasions of when He could have returned.

Is this true? Does it really make sense? How could one deem God to be omniscient while making such claims about Him?

If Jesus' return is contingent on our behavior, and He could have come on several occasions, that would then mean that God really doesn't have a specific time in which He knows He will return. Hence the logical conclusion would then be to assert that Jesus really didn't mean what He had said concerning His return, that God knows the day and the hour of it. For, the idea of a return that could have taken place on several occasions presupposes that God really doesn't know when He will return, as the definiteness of His return is contingent on our behavior.

And what of all of the unfulfilled prophecies foretold in Revelation concerning the latter days? What sense would there have been in giving us such writings if Christ could have returned already? You see, if He could have returned that would then mean that He would have returned had the conditions for His return been met. But how could He have returned while leaving so many prophecies unfulfilled concerning the latter days, which play a major role in the coming of His return as contingencies that must precede its fulfillment?

Can anyone else see the problem here?

How do those who herald such ideas give an explanation for this logical inconsistency? Furthermore, upon what basis do they make such claims?
 

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Could the Jews have spread the word of God to the surrounding nations?

JM

There is no sense in spending too much time entertaining hypothetical notions.

However, we can do so briefly for the sake of the following point. What if they did, would that then nullify the Revelation of John, and the 2300 day prophecy concerning Daniel?
 
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Same sort of issue that always goes with God's foreknowledge. It is the whole freewill issue.

My take is that yes, Christ could have come earlier. But God knew the chioces that would be made, so knew He wouldn't.

JM

There is no sense in talking about what Christ could have done when it was never within His plan to do it.

I like to think that God has it in His plan to wait, because there are people whom He knows will be saved, but wouldn't have even existed had He come earlier.

I like to think that God knew me even before He gave John the Revelation. Had He come prior to my existence I never would have been.

So it wasn't according to His plan to come prior to or during the year of 1844. For, there are still many that will give their lives to Christ before He comes, and God has known these people from eternity!
 
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So you think that Christ won't return until there would be no more people born who could be saved?

It is an interesting idea, which I have thought about some.

JM

I believe that the prophecies of Revelation must unfold, and anyone that will be saved will be saved before this happens.

God knows who they are, and loves them enough to wait for them.

We must keep in mind that God is the one that allows things to happen. Even Satan can't hinder His purpose, but can only act when God allows Him to. God is in complete control of the universe.
 
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I wonder if those who are the victim of horrendous crimes, famine, tragedy find comfort in knowing that there is a God in control who allows the most unspeakable things to happen to them.....

A recent incident comes to mind where a Haitian immigrant and her son was brutalized in their home. She was repeatedly raped, her son beaten then these thugs made the mother perform oral sex on her son, who was 10 or 11 years old..... somehow I don't think I could look those victimized people in the face and tell them that God is in control and allows things to happen... but that's just me...
 
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So what is your alternative, to suggest that God doesn't know what's going on in the universe, or that He doesn't really care about what happens to people?

By the way. I just want to point out that allowance doesn't equal approval.
 
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So what is your alternative, to suggest that God doesn't know what's going on in the universe, or that He doesn't really care about what happens to people?

By the way. I just want to point out that allowance doesn't equal approval.
I would hope that we would not tell a person who has endured something as traumatic as the incident I shared that "God allows things to happen...." or worse IMO, "God allows it but it doesn't mean he approves of it....."
 
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I would hope that we would not tell a person who has endured something as traumatic as the incident I shared that "God allows things to happen...." or worse IMO, "God allows it but it doesn't mean he approves of it....."

What exactly is your point, Stormy? What are you hoping to accomplish here?

Perhaps you have a better explanation?
 
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What exactly is your point, Stormy? What are you hoping to accomplish here?

Perhaps you have a better explanation?
this is a discussion.... I am discussing... your answer would be unsatisfactory to me if I had experienced something traumatically life altering... likewise if the best that we as christians can come up with as an answer is "God allows it" then we are irrelevant to the world around us....

what am I hoping to accomplish, discussion.... you thought that your answer would be the end of this question?
 
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Stormy, I am addressing an argument which states that Christ could have returned already. You are off-topic, as you are attempting to address the problem of evil.

They are not the same.

If you would like to address the problem of evil then please do so in another thread.
 
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I believe that the prophecies of Revelation must unfold,
And the world is worse off precisely because you hold on to that belief. You won't give it up even though you cannot, within your theological paradigm, explain why the Second Coming has not occurred. Instead, you continue to sell humanity a bill of goods.
 
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woob, this is the progressive section....we can go off topic, and discuss whatever....consequently what we are discussing is on topic... if christians were doing what Jesus asked, perhaps He would have returned by now... thus my comments are appropriate in this section/thread...
 
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Stormy, I am addressing an argument which states that Christ could have returned already. You are off-topic, as you are attempting to address the problem of evil.

They are not the same.
They are the same because when "Christ returns" evil will cease. It is unfortunate that you cannot see the connection.
 
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You see, the difference between you and me is that you have no issue with referring to God as a liar, but I do have an issue with such a thing, as I take God at His word, and believe what it says.
 
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