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Could you elaborate as to how they're wrong and what conclusion can be drawn from that? That would be the starting point of the position you're maintaining, providing a foundation to be agreed or disagreed upon.
Sure.

See. There are people who do not think that gender is a social construct.

And they are wrong.

It's really weird and a bit misguided to expect me to elaborate how "they" are wrong when you don't explain who "they" are or what EXACTLY they believe. Is...is this thr first time trying to challenge someone to appropriately support their arguments?

All of this kinda stuff is crazy simple. You pick up a dictionary or two...maybe grab a sociology text book....go to a national mental health website. The information is there. Don't listen to how Ben Shapiro defines gender cause he likely doesn't know himself. Go to the people who StUDY and research the topic.

Look at basically all of these sites...what is gender - Google Search
I'm a little curious to see how wackadoo your algorithms will affect your results because when I do that search 100% of the sources use the phrase "social construct" or a clear substitute, to define gender.
 
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And do you know how many genders there are supposed to be and what they're called and the various combinations thereof?
It might help to think of gender as a spectrum, rather than a rigid set of unique definitions. Think of the most masculine ideal on one end, the most feminine ideal on the other. People can fit anywhere in between those extremes. They are, of course, free to call their particular gender identity whatever they like.

Does that make it easier?

-- A2SG, it comes with the added benefit of having far less terms to memorize....
 
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Scripture makes it clear that God created us male and female and that the male and female are to become husband and wife and produce children. And anything outside of that is perversion. Which is why only that Godly construct has been expectable in Old Testament Judaism and New Testament Christianity. One can go ahead and go with the secular humanistic rendering of scripture to facilitate LGBTQQIP2SAA+, but it's pure heresy that puts people on the broad road to destruction.
 
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Is there a conclusion to that? Like of course that verse gets left behind because......
 
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When you said 'they are wrong' I thought you were saying social constructs are wrong.

As I've pointed out in this thread, I've already read up on transgender ideology from the horse's mouth.
 
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As I've pointed out in this thread, I've already read up on transgender ideology from the horse's mouth.
Well, to be fair, A horse's mouth. There really isn't one single ideology for everyone who considers themselves transgender. Different people can view things differently a lot of the time.

Individuals are like that sometimes.

-- A2SG, that's why it's probably for the best to let people define themselves, rather than have you do it for them....
 
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[Bold is My emphasis]. I think the eunuchs previously cited would begin to differ with your appraisal.
When you said 'they are wrong' I thought you were saying social constructs are wrong.

As I've pointed out in this thread, I've already read up on transgender ideology from the horse's mouth.
OK. So we're on the same page of what gender means and that it is a social construct?
 
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When you said 'they are wrong' I thought you were saying social constructs are wrong.

As I've pointed out in this thread, I've already read up on transgender ideology from the horse's mouth.
Well I'm certain you didn't read it feom a horse...I'm curious which sources informed your opinion?
 
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[Bold is My emphasis]. I think the eunuchs previously cited would begin to differ with your appraisal.
I'm really interested in hearing what the correlation is supposed to be.
OK. So we're on the same page of what gender means and that it is a social construct?
I understand what you're talking about, but I still don't know what your therefore conclusion is.
 
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Well I'm certain you didn't read it feom a horse...I'm curious which sources informed your opinion?
Sources established by or that promote LGBTQQIP2SAA+. As a matter of fact that's where I learned the acronym "LGBTQQIP2SAA+" from. That's what from the horse's mouth means.
 
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And do you know how many genders there are supposed to be and what they're called and the various combinations thereof?
Why is it so important to you there there are more genders than the two that you‘re comfortable with?
 
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Sources established by or that promote LGBTQQIP2SAA+. As a matter of fact that's where I learned the acronym "LGBTQQIP2SAA+" from. That's what from the horse's mouth means.
Freedom means the ability to believe things that might not “be so” without social repercussions from the “reality police”.
 
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Freedom means the ability to believe things that might not “be so” without social repercussions from the “reality police”.
I'm wondering how up to speed you are on this.
 
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Freedom means the ability to believe things that might not “be so” without social repercussions from the “reality police”.
There sure are a lot of open ended statements with no conclusion being made in this thread.
 
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There sure are a lot of open ended statements with no conclusion being made in this thread.
I’ve been on the internet since before there was an internet; I’ve seen maybe three discussions that have led to a satisfying conclusion after vigorous and lively debate.

Parts≠gender, that’s the crux of this issue.
 
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I’ve been on the internet since before there was an internet; I’ve seen maybe three discussions that have led to a satisfying conclusion after vigorous and lively debate.
I'm not talking about a final conclusion. I'm talking about one open ended statement after another.
Parts≠gender, that’s the crux of this issue.
Like that one.
 
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Yeah, it’s pretty cool that there really are fish that do change their sex in adulthood.
 
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Sources established by or that promote LGBTQQIP2SAA+. As a matter of fact that's where I learned the acronym "LGBTQQIP2SAA+" from. That's what from the horse's mouth means.
Well then why would you think that gender roles have anything to do with anything Biblical or ordained by God? Is it biblical that Masai girls are circumsized between 11 and 13? Or that they subordinate to their husbands and cannot divorce?
 
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I'm really interested in hearing what the correlation is supposed to be.
Asexuality is a gender
I understand what you're talking about, but I still don't know what your therefore conclusion is.
If gender is a social construct, once you become aware of that, and IF YOU DESIRE TO DO SO, you are able to control what kind of effect it has on you and how you choose to negotiate that.
 
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Scripture makes it clear that God created us male and female and that the male and female are to become husband and wife and produce children. And anything outside of that is perversion.

So celibacy and chastity are a perversion? St. Paul was a pervert because he was unmarried, and he advocated perversion when he offered as advice for the Faithful to remain unmarried. Got it.


Which is why the biblical patriarchs and kings famously were monogamous. Solomon and his 300 wives and 700 concubines was a shining example of monogamy.

I think you should be more honest with yourself, that you are defending any biblical principle or moral, you just don't like queer people.

I'm a cis straight male. I've never had any serious doubts about who or what I am. But as far as my masculinity and heterosexuality is concerned, back in the late 90's and throughout the early-mid 2000s I had friends who constantly told me I wasn't a "real man" because I was in touch with my emotions and didn't sleep around. I didn't pursue women just to "get laid", I wanted a serious, long term relationship. And when romance wasn't on the table, I could maintain long term platonic friendships with women. As a result I was bombarded with being called "gay" and had the F-slur thrown at me frequently.

I didn't meet their expectations of what a "man" should be. I was raised with certain values about how to treat people, I looked at the Scriptures--to Christ--about how I should treat others, and to be introspective about my intentions, to "hold every thought captive" as St. Paul says. That my feelings and thoughts might betray me, and to tread carefully. I was never into sports, I was never athletic. I was into dinosaurs and video games as a child. I know nothing about cars, or how to fix broken pipes in my house. I don't relate with "macho" things very well.

As such while I've always had a clear view of what being a man meant for me, it has clashed consistently with what "being a man" means in the minds of many. As such, I've had my masculinity and manhood, my straight sexual orientation challenged and denied throughout much of my life.

These days, that's less of an issue. Largely because those friends, the ones I still call friends anyway, have matured. Others, well they aren't really my friends anymore. And it is bad enough when I faced this kind of nonsense from those outside of the Church, but it was worse when I faced this nonsense from within the Church.

Here, in the Church, we are supposed to regard Christ as King and Lord; and His way as the way above all other ways.

Perhaps you've read this and haven't seen my point in saying this entirely. So let's be clear: My gender and identity were frequently challenged and ridiculed because I didn't conform to what some people believed being "a straight man" entailed. I couldn't "be a man" if I wasn't objectifying women and solely interested in sexual conquests. I wasn't "straight" if I had meaningful friendships with women, or if I talked about my feelings. Others wanted to project their view of gender onto me. I'm a cis-male, my biological sex is male, and I identify as a man. I'm straight, I am romantically and sexually attracted to women. And even still I didn't meet certain expectations of my peers, I didn't conform to certain societal expectations. I didn't conform, and so I was attacked, ridiculed, belittled.

I identified as a man, but I was being told I wasn't one. My biological sex (male) wasn't being called into question. My gender, my male-ness, was.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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