contrails or chemtrails

Wiccan_Child · Mar 14, 2012

Nabobalis said:
On side note, this does have a very interesting physics question, how do small particles disperse in a medium? Is it pure Brownian motion? What do the effects of flows in that medium have?

Does anyone have a link to a paper or several on the subject?

I'd imagine they would dispearse through Brownian motion, in 3D. The size/density of the particles would also have an impact, as too large a particle would not be sufficiently light. So, more info is needed.

Alas, I don't have any papers to hand.

Oh, and contrails are just contrails. The Government told me so.

Nabobalis · Mar 15, 2012

Wiccan_Child said:
I'd imagine they would dispearse through Brownian motion, in 3D. The size/density of the particles would also have an impact, as too large a particle would not be sufficiently light. So, more info is needed.

Alas, I don't have any papers to hand.

Shame, I'll browse Physical Review when I get to the office. If I find any, I'll post them here if anyone is interested.

Wiccan_Child said:
Oh, and contrails are just contrails. The Government told me so.

Personally, I think it happens to be white cotton candy.

peggy sue · Mar 15, 2012

Nabobalis said:
Barium is a solid metal at room temperature. How on earth is it dispersed in a while cloud (Not only that, if it is very finely ground, you shouldn't be able to see it)? Secondly, what use is it, why do they add it to the air? Thirdly, when was a guy who got a jar of water a legitimate source? Let alone when does a news channel decide that internet websites are sources of news?

So many fails, no facts.

I guess if this was the only testing done and the only man to take samples but from many searches it appears more people have experienced the same thing, and it appears from many of these same samples barium is one of the main ingredients......i have no idea what the reason is, whether its done as scientific research for weather control.....i havn't a clue.....i doubt its a mass conspiracy to kill everyone, because they have to live on this planet to

Cabal · Mar 15, 2012

I feel like I'm going to be the oddest one out here by saying that I think it's not entirely impossible that some of this could well be attempts to control weather. I was under the impression it was fairly well established that you can seed clouds to make them rain out, effectively by altering the concentration of nucleation points in a supercooled cloud.

What I dispute is the usual poor level of analysis conducted by the government-is-going-to-kill-us-all brigade, resulting in the usual overblown hysteria; and I see no evidence suggesting that Morgellon's is anything other than psychosomatic.

In short, I feel a bit like this:

thaumaturgy · Mar 15, 2012

Cabal said:
I feel like I'm going to be the oddest one out here by saying that I think it's not entirely impossible that some of this could well be attempts to control weather. I was under the impression it was fairly well established that you can seed clouds to make them rain out, effectively by altering the concentration of nucleation points in a supercooled cloud.

What I dispute is the usual poor level of analysis conducted by the government-is-going-to-kill-us-all brigade, resulting in the usual overblown hysteria; and I see no evidence suggesting that Morgellon's is anything other than psychosomatic.

In short, I feel a bit like this:

Hey, since we're doing XKCD refs here's one of my latest faves:

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farmer joe · Mar 16, 2012

thaumaturgy said:
Hey, since we're doing XKCD refs here's one of my latest faves:

XKCD = MADE OF WIN.

You forgot to mention the third tower that went down. That one was knocked down by all the tinfoil hat people . DUH.

Cromulent · Mar 16, 2012

Looks like the automobile manufacturers and everyone who drives a car is in on it too!

Look at those clouds of exhaust fumes linger! If they were just normal combustion products they'd stay for a short while and disperse, right?

Looks like they've been at it longer than we thought as well. Look at these chemtrails being spread by B-17s:

farmer joe · Mar 16, 2012

peggy sue said:
I guess if this was the only testing done and the only man to take samples but from many searches it appears more people have experienced the same thing, and it appears from many of these same samples barium is one of the main ingredients......i have no idea what the reason is, whether its done as scientific research for weather control.....i havn't a clue.....i doubt its a mass conspiracy to kill everyone, because they have to live on this planet to

Chemtrails environmental modification chemtrail spraying earthquake weapon electromagnetic warfare aerosol fibers and morgellons

farmer joe · Mar 16, 2012

Gerard Holmgren: Debunking Conspiracy Theorists Who is the conspiracy theorist?

Nabobalis · Mar 16, 2012

farmer joe said:
Gerard Holmgren: Debunking Conspiracy Theorists Who is the conspiracy theorist?

You clearly are.

Nabobalis · Mar 16, 2012

farmer joe said:
Chemtrails environmental modification chemtrail spraying earthquake weapon electromagnetic warfare aerosol fibers and morgellons

You haven't shown how HAARP does anything to the weather nor how it causes earthquakes.

Let alone this lovely part:

Jesse Ventura: HAARP Weather Modification, Military Defense and Mind Control 4 part video
We've suspected it for years, but now it's official:
Nick Begich says HAARP can be used for mind control. (part 4)

Mind control using HAARP. What doesn't it do?

farmer joe · Mar 16, 2012

Nabobalis said:
You haven't shown how HAARP does anything to the weather nor how it causes earthquakes.

Let alone this lovely part:

Mind control using HAARP. What doesn't it do?

lol. There is alot of crazy stuff out there, from both sides. A little truth hidden between the lines of b.s. from all media ,on both sides, and all the way around. But there are some truths from mainstream and conspiracy news. We all know they don't tell us the whole truth. Whether its for defense purposes or national interests(which seem to be for the elite these past few years),as their reason. But they do have capabilities that the average joe has no idea of. Twenty years from now some may know more.
But when one guy can get on mainstream media and say that he was a meat inspector and told us about the plink slime and ammonia in our ground beef , the whole world listens. But when many try to inform the masses about misdeeds and mainstream media doesn't cover it, they won't listen to any of it. There is truth from both sides of media and they both have false stories ,too. You can not just listen to one side or you go thru life half blind to what is going on in the world. Especially when six corporations control 90% of the media. Makes it kinda easy to have the masses believe what six corporations might want you to believe.

Radagast · Mar 21, 2012

There is no such thing as a "chemtrail." But sometimes, when fireworks are allowed, there is barium in the sky:

ReverendDG · Mar 21, 2012

weather modification does happen, but to conflate cloud seeding with chemtrails is one of the best tools of conspiracy theorists.
after all if they use silver nitrate to seed clouds why isn't dumping crap on us possible?

problem is of course the fact that the planes doing the chemtrails are 40 thousand feet in the air, and that would work for cloud seeding but not for spraying people.
real chemtrails, ie: crop spraying happens maybe 100 feet in the air, and its OBVIOUS.

chemtrails make me laugh, after reading the so called "evidence" for them, i have to wonder how long these people thought about the idea.
they call any trails that last longer than the CT thinks the trails should a "chemtrail".
that's right, that is the main evidence, the next piece is the opinion that there are a lot of trails over them and in crisscross lines. oh and there are a lot of them now when 20 years ago there was barely any, as if a industry growing over 20 years is evidence of something sinister.

the next laughable bit is connecting that to health issues people have, which is just as likely bias and cherry picking.

another silly bit was someone had soil samples done, and claimed a high level of aluminium is proof they are dumping crap on us. even though aluminium is the third most common element found in the earth's crust!

is there any truth to this stuff? no, not when you evidence consists of a comparison to the past and your opinion on how long clouds should last in the sky.

pgp_protector · Mar 22, 2012

Just to throw some fuel on the fire
NASA - Anomalous Transport Rocket Experiment (ATREX)

Nabobalis · Mar 22, 2012

pgp_protector said:
Just to throw some fuel on the fire
NASA - Anomalous Transport Rocket Experiment (ATREX)

See, that makes more sense.

Trimethylaluminium is the chemical compound with the formula Al2(CH3)6, abbreviated as Al2Me6, (AlMe3)2 or the abbreviation TMA. This pyrophoric, colorless liquid is an industrially important organoaluminium compound. It evolves white smoke (aluminium oxides) when the vapor is released into the air.

It is a shame, it isn't being launched in land.

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