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Solomon was the wisest of the Old Testament age .
Ecclesiastes 4:2-3
2Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive.
3Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.
so let's move on to the NT stuff .
I'm not following the relevancy of this to the subject?
Criticized? Heck, they had a knack for being burned at the stake.They were quite criticized
Well Solomon was saying that those who are dead are better than those who are living . but those who have not yet been are even better off than the first two because they haven't seen the evil that goes on, on this planet daily.
so those who never were born are better off the scripture is saying . it relates to contraception does it not?
What utterly poor exegesis. Jeremiah cursed the day he was born, and Jesus told Judas it would have been better if he had never lived. Was it God's will, then, that Jeremiah and Judas never lived? Clearly not. You're reaching for a conclusion not implied by the text. It's inexcusably out of context.
No, i see it as a "blood covenant" and something that no MAN can call "null".
And the guy in prison had no intention of killing the pedestrian he hitOnly if there is an agreement between all three parties; husband, wife and of course God. If husband or wife had not intention of being in this covenant then it is null/void. That one will have to answer to God for their lie.
If I intentionally sign a contract without my name and with no intention of going into agreement with that contract then how can anyone hold me to it?
You write Pinochio as your name on the contract and is it going to be taken as a John Hancock? I think not, even if this is not discovered right away. The one is a liar and the other may be a fool but God knows from the start and so Covenant takes place. Such is the way with evil and men/women that act in such a way. Lies and deceit have always been the devils ways and God has always been truth. So, God will not uphold a lie because God upholds the Truth alone.
* how do we say truth alone because it may be another protestanism...
No it's not . Solomon's sermon in this book seems to follow the same cynical tone . it is very in context .
but Solomon lacked something . which is why i suggested to look past the cracked lense of the Old Testament people to those looking through a glass darkly of the New Covenant . perhaps, it would shed more light .
Your response to me is
1. To say the equivalent of, "no, you're wrong," and then fail to establish what in the world you're talking about. What is the cynical tone, and what does it have to do with your larger point in relation to your respone to Polo?
2. To avoid my examples of Jeremiah and Judas, which carry enough weight to refute your argument.
Only in the same way as me abstaining from cheesecakeright. referencing the Manichaeans as a source of doctrine is not a good thing. they saw the body as evil
contraception seems to indicate that fertility is evil
What utterly poor exegesis. Jeremiah cursed the day he was born, and Jesus told Judas it would have been better if he had never lived. Was it God's will, then, that Jeremiah and Judas never lived? Clearly not. You're reaching for a conclusion not implied by the text. It's inexcusably out of context.
so those who never were born are better off the scripture is saying . it relates to contraception does it not?
Ecclesiastes is the lament of a human-only perspective. It is a view of reality by only looking "under the sun" as opposed to looking at reality with the help of divine revelation which is a view over the sun. That's why the book starts out "all is vanity!" From a human perspective, the dead are better off than in the misery of this world. The book talks about how man is no better than an animal because they share the same fate. Or how there is no justice. And on and on and on about how things suck in this world. It is basically "the bad news" that one sees when only utilizing a human perspective. Only in Christ does what appears disastrous become a realm that has hope. So the OT does not assert what you say. Earlier, I posted numerous OT passages speaking of fertility as God's gift, starting with "be fruitful."
Ecclesiastes is the lament of a human-only perspective. It is a view of reality by only looking "under the sun" as opposed to looking at reality with the help of divine revelation which is a view over the sun. That's why the book starts out "all is vanity!" From a human perspective, the dead are better off than in the misery of this world. The book talks about how man is no better than an animal because they share the same fate. Or how there is no justice. And on and on and on about how things suck in this world. It is basically "the bad news" that one sees when only utilizing a human perspective. Only in Christ does what appears disastrous become a realm that has hope. So the OT does not assert what you say. Earlier, I posted numerous OT passages speaking of fertility as God's gift, starting with "be fruitful."
No, I disagree with the Roman Catholic Church's teaching on contraception. I believe family planing is a moral and ethical obligation to insure to ensure that all children are loved and wanted from the moment of birth. The best way to attempt to do this is to allow women and men to decide when and if they wish to bring a child into the world.
I see no (direct) link between birth control & divorce. I see people who have used birth control who have wonerful marriages and have never divorced. However, I do see a link between marital satisfaction and number of children. In fmailies where the number of children are able to be controlled and planned for, it appears that those couples enjoy greater marital satisfaction. Divorce occurrs becaue of problems that go much deeper than simply do you use BC or not.
Onan's sin was greed!!! Not Masturbaton or lust. He disobayed god because he wanted his brother's property and did not want his brother's widdow to have a child which would have permitted her to have a share of his estate. So this story has nothing to do with masturabation or birth control, both of which I think are healthy and acceptable.
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