Confession is an INSULT to Jesus's Finished work

gideon army · Sep 4, 2010

Ephesians 1:7
7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

People have said to me, Bro, I was taught that only my past sins from the day I was born until the day I became a Christian have been forgiven, and that my future sins are not forgiven until I confess them and seek forgiveness.

My friend, when Jesus died on the cross, how many of your sins were future?

Unless you are more than 2,000 years old, all your sins were future then! Jesus took them all upon Himself, nailed them to the cross and declared, It is finished! So if you are not forgiven of all, then you are not forgiven at all.

You mean Jesus also died for the sin that I have just committed?

Yes!

And also for the sins which I will commit?

Yes! That is why He said, It is finished! (John 19:30)

Jesus was crucified on Passover, hence He became our true Lamb of GOD who Takes away sins & not us the believer John 1:29 Christ was hung onto the Cross fm 9am till 3pm which speaks of the Morning & evening Sacrifice hence fulfiled all Sacrifice for sins for all eternity.

But many of us are inconsistent in our believing. One part of us says, God has forgiven me of all my sins. But another part says, Yes, but I must still confess my sins to be forgiven of them. Are you like that?

Beloved, you are forgiven not because of your work of confession. Your confession cannot wash away your sins (Only Jesus's Blood Hebrews 9:22). You are forgiven because of the blood of Jesus shed for you. His blood alone cleanses you. (Hebrews 10:12-14).

Jesus Himself said these:- "He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you." John 13:10

Jesus is referring to water/Holy Spirit baptism in the above about the believer being completely Clean. Washing of the feet means the washing/Listening to Anointed Word of God that unvails the Righteousness of GOD as a Gift to the Believer which comes via the Rhema Word of Christ & the Logos Word of Christ

You cannot believe that you are forgiven of your past, present and future sins, and still think that there is something for you to do to make that forgiveness complete. If you do, then it becomes your work too, not Jesus alone.

Is there a place for confession of sins? My friend, if you have just sinned, you can always tell God about it without feeling condemned because you know that you already have forgiveness and that Jesus was condemned in your place. But you dont confess your sins to God in order to be forgiven. You already have total and complete forgiveness because of the blood of Jesus!

Therefore Christians are taught by Scriptures not to be sins Consciousness ( 1 Ti 4:1-2) but Christ Conscious (John 3:14 which was taken fm Numbers 21:9) for those whom lift Jesus up & look towards Him Intently-Lived, however those that look at themselves- died

DrFrank · Sep 4, 2010

Trying to convince people that they should not confess their sins as an act of repentance,which is one of the most fundamental teachings in Christianity,is a satanic act.

I have absolutely no idea where people who come up with this horrendously evil teaching are reading their talking points but I am certain that they are not reading the Bible.If only they would start to read the very first book in the New Testament they would realize how heretical and salvation-dangerous their opinion is.

Matthew 9:13 (New King James Version)

13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice. For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

Matthew 11:20 (New King James Version)

20 Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent.

Matthew 21:32 (King James Version)

32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

gideon army · Sep 4, 2010

(1) It's fundamental when dealing with the Things of GOD to be scriptural yes? I Believe NONE is interested what churches teaches or whatever pastors advocates, it's PARAMOUNT what Scriptures says yes?

DrFrank said:
Trying to convince people that they should not confess their sins as an act of repentance,which is one of the most fundamental teachings in Christianity,is a satanic act.

Are you sure? What ever you are advocating isn't Scriptural Need no rocket Scientist to know whom is it fm when it's Not Scriptural yes?

If confession of sins is so important then wouldn't GOD/Christ via the Holy Spirit thru Paul have done a GREAT Dis-service to all christians by not advocating 'confession' of sins? Find me 1 of Paul's Epistle that is specifically addressed to the Church of Jesus Christ asking the believers to confess their sins

Corinthians Church was full of the most immoral ppl with the gross max sinners yet Paul didn't rebuke them nor curse them, on the contrary he reminded them/bring thei GIFT of Righteousness to their Remembrance

Compare & contrast that with the Galatians Church, whom were into 'works' (Like most of Christiandom), Paul lambasted them & called them Stupid/Foolish Galatians & asking why have they been bewitched & hindered them 'running in the spirit' If that isn'y enough, Paul pronounced a DOUBLE STRONGEST Curse on all those who advocate works & that they need to 'do something' apart from Jesus's Finished works.

Then in Paul epistle to Timothy, he wrote this:-

1 Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, (kaustēriazō in the Greek & translated to read: who carry about with them the perpetual consciousness of sin)

Therefore whatyou've rightly stated about 'Christianity' Fundamental Teaching is severely Flawed & NOT Scriptural.

On the Contrary, Scriptures confines those who advocates CONFESSION os sins are of decieving Spirits/ Doctrines of Demons & Speaking in Lies Do you fit into this description?

DrFrank said:
Matthew 9:13 (New King James Version)

13 But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy and not sacrifice. For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.

Matthew 11:20 (New King James Version)

20 Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent.

(2)

Know you not what Scriptures have written:-

Romans 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

Question 1: was it not the Goodness of Jesus whom gave peter a Net Breaking/ BoatS sinking loads of fishes 1st then repentance come or Peter repented 1st before the Load of fishes?

Question 2: Peter boasted in the last supper that even if all the deciples were to leave Jesus, he'll not. Later that night peter denial knowing Jesus with CURSING/SWEARING 3 times (it's the same peter whom said that Jesus is the Son of GOD hence peter already know that Jesus is GOD which peter failed BIG time in the 1st commandment) Now after Jesus resurrection, When the disciples caught NOTHING again for the whole night when Jesus came to them, peter repented 1st or the 153 BIG Fishes came 1st?

KNow whatever you are advocating (together with 90% of Christiandom) are Flawed & NOT Scriptural

(3)

DrFrank said:
Matthew 21:32 (King James Version)

32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Wow, am astonished that you are quoting the above Scriptures?

Question 1: Do you think Righteoiusness as mentioned above is yours?

If you think/believe/taught that Righteousness in the NT comes from in & out of yourself then it's Obvious that you've missed:-

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.

Know you not that in the Hebrew, Filthy rags speaks of Smelly Dirty Soiled Sanitary Napkins

KNow you not that those who trust in their self righteousness are Cursed for it is written:-

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the LORD.

Isn't it consistant throughout on all that i've listed via Scriptures showing ALL that our sins consciousness is of the Devil/demonic spirits & teachings that is fm the deepest pits of Hell?

No wonder the Lady with the Issue of the flowing of Blood bowed down for 18 years (6+6+6=18 is the number of the Anti Christ= self righteousness like 90% of Christiandom ) were healed the moment she seeks Jesus out & Touch HIS Righteousness instead of hers

The Scriptures tells us that anyone whom claims that righteousness is of the believer self works are fm the Devil & No wonder 90% of Christiandom are WEAk/Sick/ Poor & Die early

hudechek · Sep 5, 2010

gideon army said:
If confession of sins is so important then wouldn't GOD/Christ via the Holy Spirit thru Paul have done a GREAT Dis-service to all christians by not advocating 'confession' of sins? Find me 1 of Paul's Epistle that is specifically addressed to the Church of Jesus Christ asking the believers to confess their sins

the bible talks about confession:

1Jn 1:9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (LITV)

That right there shows that confession of sin is important. whether it is from paul's epistle or not. John was the disciple Jesus LOVED. If that doesn't convince you there is more to back that up to

Luk 17:4 - And if seven times of the day he sins against you, and seven times of the day turns to you saying, I repent, you shall forgive him.
(LITV)

Jas 5:16 - Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. (NIV)

Then in Paul epistle to Timothy, he wrote this:-

1 Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, (kaustēriazō in the Greek & translated to read: who carry about with them the perpetual consciousness of sin)

Therefore whatyou've rightly stated about 'Christianity' Fundamental Teaching is severely Flawed & NOT Scriptural.

HOW IS IT FLAWED NETHER OF THOSE SCRIPTURES SAID CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE WERE HYPOCRITICAL OR OF DEMONS!
All these scriptures entail is that there will rise up false teachers in the church, the youngest of
Christians will tell you this,so that in no way pertains to confession or repentance.
The antonym of Confession is Denial. Jesus speaks multiple times to REPENT, which in original context means: to turn from: to take a new direction. You recognize your sins THROUGH CONFESSION [this could start with self confession, realizing your sins] then you REPENT, confession amongst brothers is primarily to gain a partner in your walk, and to have accountability.

Mat 18:15 If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
Mat 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
Mat 18:18 I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

You must BIND things on earth, that obviously means that you have to acknowledge them, to say the least.

Wow, am astonished that you are quoting the above Scriptures?

Question 1: Do you think Righteoiusness as mentioned above is yours?

Righteousness is not ours but it is given as a gift to us threw the grace and love of god .

No wonder the Lady with the Issue of the flowing of Blood bowed down for 18 years (6+6+6=18 is the number of the Anti Christ= self righteousness like 90% of Christiandom ) were healed the moment she seeks Jesus out & Touch HIS Righteousness instead of hers

you just posted false scripture. she bleed for 12 years not 18 so your 666 correlation is wrong not to mention 666 in the mark of humanity not the anti-Christ.

Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

`Raine · Sep 5, 2010

hudechek quoted the verses I was going to, but I do think it is Biblical to confess our sins. I do not agree with absolution, as in the Catholic confession (ie, the idea that any many, including a priest, has the right to impose penance or forgive/absolve our sins against another). That said, I think that we should confess our sins to God and ask His forgiveness, because that is often the starting point for repentance and changing our ways. It is also scriptural to confess our sins against a person to that person and ask for their forgiveness. God may have forgiven you for wronging someone, but you also need to ask forgiveness of the person you wronged when it as possible. A third reason for confession can be accountability. If you struggle with a particular sin, it can help to confess it to a trusted person and have an accountability partner in helping you to overcome sin in that area of your life.

gideon army · Sep 5, 2010

Isn't it paramount to reserch 1st before drawing any conclusion? KNow you not that the Epistle of John was written to the gnostic & unbelieving Jews? So are the Epistles of Peter / James & Jude

Maybe to help all understand better hence shall give you an example. Imagine an Open Letter/demand written by Ex President Bush to ex President Saddam demanding him to open his country up for International Inspection or else suffer dire consequence .

Question 1: Can the French/ Russians/ Chinese/ Israeli interpret it as ex President Bush threatening them since they have nukes / chemicals & biological weapons as well?

Question 2: Now we know letter isn't written to the others except to the Iraqis but can we learn something? Yes but of cos, but do we need to be afraid? Of cos not right?

hudechek said:
the bible talks about confession:
1Jn 1:9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (LITV)

Do you not know that Confess in the Greek means nothing more then homologeō which translated to read: to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent

Now what does Scriptures says about our sins? Above in the context of 1 John 1:9 means to those unbelievers of Christ to Repent (Change one's mind) & accept Christ as their savior instead of trying to establish their own righteousness

Is it not written that Jesus Blood is Eternal? Imagine the Jews have yearly forgiveness of sins via the blood of Bulls & Goats.

Are Christiandom (90%) trampling on the Eternal Blood of Jesus by Counting it as a 'Normal' thing for which they need to have daily/ weekly or monthly confession of sins? This is not Scriptural dude Then again need NO Rocket Scientist to know who is it from

hudechek said:
Luk 17:4 - And if seven times of the day he sins against you, and seven times of the day turns to you saying, I repent, you shall forgive him.
(LITV)

Dude, wonder if you know how to rightly divide the Word of Christo in PRE & POst Cross? What you have said was pre cross, however scriptures says that Post Cross : we forgies because He has forgiven us ALL our transpasses

Therefore all your quotations from the Gospels are Pre Cross & know you not that the Gospel of Matt is specifically written & addressing a Jewish audience?

hudechek said:
you just posted false scripture. she bleed for 12 years not 18 so your 666 correlation is wrong not to mention 666 in the mark of humanity not the anti-Christ.

Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Thank you for drawing me to my bad Glad that you actually read before posting.

However the women with the issue of Blood is indeed suffering fm 12 years (Matt 9:20/ Mark 5:25/Luke 8:43) which is 6+6 from which 6 is the Number of men (man was created on the 6th day in bible numerics) & whatever men does (self righteousness/ self glorification & self works) are all confined in the 6

However have you not read a women bowed down for 18 years whom satan have bounded (Luke 13:16) Imagine she being the Picture of the Church/Bride of Christ whom satan have bound & bent over-looking at ppl feet & feasting her eyes on dust which is the devil's food (Gen 3:14). Now doesn't this tells you of the anti christ?

Wonder if you've also read :-

Pro 10:6 Blessings are on the head of the righteous (You know right that righteous in Scriptures doesn't refers to self righteousness but AWARENESS of Christ's Gift of Righteousness), But violence covers the mouth of the wicked.

1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the LORD are on the righteous, And His ears are open to their prayers; But the face of the LORD is against those who do evil."

Therefore GOD/Daddy knows this hence He sent His only Beloved Son Jesus to Pay all menkind sins/ trangressions on His own broken body plus carried all the curses meant for sinners against GOD's righteousness & Holiness (earthly blood of Bulls/Goats cannot take aways sins but can only cover them on a yearly basis) which is to give all believers in Christ an eternal gift in His Righteousness which one cannot loose it for it's not a GIFT if the believers can loose it

Effectively all believers who claim that they need forgiveness of sins via Confession are trampling on the Eternal Redemptive Blood of Christ No wonder 90% of Christiandom are WEAK/Sick/Poor & Die early

hudechek · Sep 6, 2010

gideon army said:
Isn't it paramount to reserch 1st before drawing any conclusion? KNow you not that the Epistle of John was written to the gnostic & unbelieving Jews? So are the Epistles of Peter / James & Jude

I do research before I speak, don't look down on me because of age or what ever if that is the case. I may be young but I think before I speak, because your body is lead by your tongue.

Maybe to help all understand better hence shall give you an example. Imagine an Open Letter/demand written by Ex President Bush to ex President Saddam demanding him to open his country up for International Inspection or else suffer dire consequence .

Question 1: Can the French/ Russians/ Chinese/ Israeli interpret it as ex President Bush threatening them since they have nukes / chemicals & biological weapons as well?

Question 2: Now we know letter isn't written to the others except to the Iraqis but can we learn something? Yes but of cos, but do we need to be afraid? Of cos not right?

where does this even come into play with the point your trying to make? or are you using it as and analogy to the epistles? even so they were written to "gnostic & unbelieving Jews" according to you, however John was written to primarily strengthen existing Christians so they can resist false teachings, gain more faith, and deepen there relationship with god, 1st Peter is written for Christians who are facing opposition so they don't become hostile to ungodly movements, 2nd Peter is written to challenge believers to diligently pursue god character, Jude was written to believers so they knew that false teachers were rising, and James was written to correct wrong ideas of the true saving faith of Christ . even so were we not at one time like them? lost away from Jesus covered in darkness and even tho we still walk in darkness with our light and some times we mess up.

Is it not written that Jesus Blood is Eternal? Imagine the Jews have yearly forgiveness of sins via the blood of Bulls & Goats.

well that is obvious ....... /:/

Are Christiandom (90%) trampling on the Eternal Blood of Jesus by Counting it as a 'Normal' thing for which they need to have daily/ weekly or monthly confession of sins? This is not Scriptural dude Then again need NO Rocket Scientist to know who is it from

i agree with 'Raine

It is also scriptural to confess our sins against a person to that person and ask for their forgiveness. God may have forgiven you for wronging someone, but you also need to ask forgiveness of the person you wronged when it as possible. A third reason for confession can be accountability. If you struggle with a particular sin, it can help to confess it to a trusted person and have an accountability partner in helping you to overcome sin in that area of your life. - 'Raine

Like I said before:

Jas 5:16: Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Dude, wonder if you know how to rightly divide the Word of Christo in PRE & POst Cross? What you have said was pre cross, however scriptures says that Post Cross : we forgies because He has forgiven us ALL our transpasses

Really man REALLY, that is flipping low for anyone. It doesn't matter where in the bible it is from it is Gods' word to us and it stands. plus you quoted O.T. so from your stance on pre-cross being resolved your O.T. quotes were redundant.

There were multiple pre-cross scriptures where Jesus specifically tells the Disciples NOT to speak of what they have seen until AFTER his resurrection [POST-cross] which implies that any scripture can be taken as a POST cross message. Take the Transfiguration for example. I find that Jesus isn't foolish enough to have spoken things that were meant only to last a few years.

Effectively all believers who claim that they need forgiveness of sins via Confession are trampling on the Eternal Redemptive Blood of Christ No wonder 90% of Christiandom are WEAK/Sick/Poor & Die early

you can stop repeating that now Christians are not sick because of confession but because the reside in the world and not the spirit

gideon army · Sep 6, 2010

Hi there hudechek ,

Any Chance you've missed the following where I've stated earlier that John/James/Peter were specifically preaching to the Unbelieving Jews?

Gal 2:9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

hudechek said:
(1) I do research before I speak, (2) don't look down on me because of age or what ever if that is the case. (3) I may be young but I think before I speak, because your body is lead by your tongue.

(1) Have you actually done any reserched? According to what i've furnished you, it seems that you've not

(2) Nope, i don't believe that i've in anyway in & thru my posts to you deem demeaning regardless of your age. Have you got a chip on your shoulders?

(3) Actually king solomon was the smartest/wisest apart fm Christ & yet very young. I know of many ppl very advance in years yet can't hold a candle to a pre-schoolers here in this forum hence fm what you are writing, hats off to you

Incidentally you might wanna read the backdrop of Gal on why Paul wrote the way he did versus the backdrop of Corinthians You'll see a very gross immoral chuch (corinth) versus a very (90% modern day christian church) Galatia

hudechek said:
1st Peter is written for Christians who are facing opposition so they don't become hostile to ungodly movements, 2nd Peter is written to challenge believers to diligently pursue god character,

Believe Scriptures as furnished earlier have shown all without any shadow of doubt that Peter isn't the apostle to the gentiles together with James & John.

However have you read this:-

Gal 2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;

Imagine paul having a showdown with the Original Apostle of Jesus Christ & 'muck' him up Again i implore you to study the backdrop of Gal

hudechek said:
Like I said before:
Jas 5:16: Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Aiya, again i am repeating to you that James epistle isn't written TO the Bride/Church of Christ

However let me teach you how to read scriptures shall we?

James 5:16 Confess ([1] exomologeō in the Greek & it's a Verb which translated: acknowledge openly and joyfully [2] with it's root word taken fm: homologeō which means: to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent) your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

Needed to show you what the Greek means in order to show you that confess in the Scriptures fm the Greek is not what Christianity teaches. It's mearly to say the same- what is to say the same readers might ask?

In the Context of the above, James is asking the believers to say to one another joyfully that their sins/transgressions Daddy GOD remembers NO More (in the Greek & Hebrew fm where it was taken is a double strongest nagetive in that GOD will by NO Means Ever remembers the believers sins ever again) Hence you have 'Openly & Joyfully'

Compare & contrast again, what happen to those children of Israel who was bitten by the snake & look at their wounds? They Died (Like how 90% of Christiandom whom are dying a slow painful death in every areas of their lives fm being reminded to look at their sins). However those that look at the Bronze (Judged) Serpent, they all lived hence James 5:16 says that they might be healed It's looking at Jesus's FINISHED work on the Cross for their transgressions/sins that they've commited & keep reminding themselves that Jesus Over Paid all their sins on HIS Own Broken Body so that theirs might never be- Praise the Lord

As for what is Pre & Post Cross, please read carefully again for it's tedious for me to keep correcting you

hudechek · Sep 6, 2010

gideon army said:
Hi there hudechek ,

Any Chance you've missed the following where I've stated earlier that John/James/Peter were specifically preaching to the Unbelieving Jews?

John was yes written to new Christians and non-Christians you are correct. but like i said before 1st & 2nd peter were written to the already Christians

let me back up what i am saying:

1 peter:

who was 1 Peter written to?

1Pe 1:1: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[This talks about who the book was written to i.e. the Strangers]

the strangers are the people in Christ, Residents of heaven that dwell on earth, and are only passing threw earth as if we were pilgrams.

read this:

1Pe 2:11: Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul.

this further illustrates my point.
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2 Peter:

to who was 2 Peter written?

2Pe 1:1: Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

So this shows that 2 peter was written to the underlined people who received a faith as precious as theres.
[need i say more?]
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James:

Jas 1:1: James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings.

James was written to Jewish Christians tho it looks as tho it was written to unbelieving Jews.
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Gal 2:9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

this verse is relevant to the book not the whole bible.
they went to different people because of there backgrounds, from before Christ.

(1) Have you actually done any reserched? According to what i've furnished you, it seems that you've not

All I have given you is researched.

(2) Nope, i don't believe that i've in anyway in & thru my posts to you deem demeaning regardless of your age. Have you got a chip on your shoulders?

no chip just making sure because of how most adults wont listen to a child because of there age.

(3) Actually king solomon was the smartest/wisest apart fm Christ & yet very young. I know of many ppl very advance in years yet can't hold a candle to a pre-schoolers here in this forum hence fm what you are writing, hats off to you

Thank you

Incidentally you might wanna read the backdrop of Gal on why Paul wrote the way he did versus the backdrop of Corinthians You'll see a very gross immoral chuch (corinth) versus a very (90% modern day christian church) Galatia

what the point of comparing them? ya Corinth was a deplorable church but the church of Galatia was pushing O.T. law which didn't need to be pushed on people. the books were written to two completely different people there is no need to compare them it does me no good.

Believe Scriptures as furnished earlier have shown all without any shadow of doubt that Peter isn't the apostle to the gentiles together with James & John.

However have you read this:-

Gal 2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;

Imagine paul having a showdown with the Original Apostle of Jesus Christ & 'muck' him up Again i implore you to study the backdrop of Gal

Paul had to do that because Peter was being a hypocrite and was wrong we was living like a Gentile but enforced Jewish law.

Gal 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners'
Gal 2:16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
Gal 2:17 If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not!
Gal 2:18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker.
Gal 2:19 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Galatians was written for no other reason but to show Gentiles that they are saved by faith not law. and to remind Christian of there faith and freedom.

Aiya, again i am repeating to you that James epistle isn't written TO the Bride/Church of Christ

right he writes to the twelve tribes, to expose there unethical practices. how ever James 5:16 is said because when people pray for each other the grow in god they come closer to him, the become more wise, they get built up spiritually, ect.

However let me teach you how to read scriptures shall we?

don't mock my ability to read scripture.

James 5:16 Confess ([1] exomologeō in the Greek & it's a Verb which translated: acknowledge openly and joyfully [2] with it's root word taken fm: homologeō which means: to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent) your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

Needed to show you what the Greek means in order to show you that confess in the Scriptures fm the Greek is not what Christianity teaches. It's mearly to say the same- what is to say the same readers might ask?

AND I QUOTE AGAIN

[1] exomologeō in the Greek & it's a Verb which translated: acknowledge openly and joyfully [2] with it's root word taken fm: homologeō which means: to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent

you are open and joyful about it because you know you are saved
more then anything [in my opinion] confession is a means to humble yourself and show that you are no Jesus. when you agree with someone that your not perfect it helps to start the process of repentance

As for what is Pre & Post Cross, please read carefully again for it's tedious for me to keep correcting you

Tedious, wow you really think your something don't you.

JoshuaDavid · Sep 6, 2010

Gideon, you wrote something I have a question about...

"Dude, wonder if you know how to rightly divide the Word of Christo in PRE & POst Cross? What you have said was pre cross, however scriptures says that Post Cross : we forgies because He has forgiven us ALL our transpasses

Therefore all your quotations from the Gospels are Pre Cross & know you not that the Gospel of Matt is specifically written & addressing a Jewish audience?"

Can you explain what you believe about pre-/post cross contextof scripture? I have been wondering about alot of things Jesus said (sermon on the mount, rich young ruler, what one must do to be a jesus disciple). It seems like people at my church take things Jesus said to someone in scripture and apply it to all of us like Jesus was saying those exact words to us. But it seems like we should be finding the context first.

And I know sometimes the Jews are the people being talked to in scripture and sometimes Gentiles. And Paul sounds so different than Jesus sometimes, maybe because of who his audience was. If you could give any insight on how to understand context I would appreciate it Thanks

gideon army · Sep 6, 2010

Hudechek,

hudechek said:
John was yes written to new Christians and non-Christians you are correct. but like i said before 1st & 2nd peter were written to the already Christians

Nope, if you read carefully i've never stated in & out of my own that John was written to Non Christian & Christian alike. I've stated using Scriptures that the Epistles of John/Peter/James were all written specifically to the Jews (Non Believers of Christ)

hudechek said:
let me back up what i am saying:
1 peter:
who was 1 Peter written to?
1Pe 1:1: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[This talks about who the book was written to i.e. the Strangers]
the strangers are the people in Christ, Residents of heaven that dwell on earth, and are only passing threw earth as if we were pilgrams.

If you read carefully & within it's above entire context together with 1 Peter 1:2 then you'll know Peter was addressing the Jews. The Strangers up there are the greek word for those ppl not in their own home country.

I've quoted you in Gal 2:9 (Makes things shorter) stating that John/Peter/James are called to preach the Gospels to the Unbelieveing Jews & you kept stating that you do your homework/reserched before typing, have you again? See we see beyond any shadow of doubt that Peter are called to the Jews (Non Believers in Christ)

Gal 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter

hudechek said:
read this:
1Pe 2:11: Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul.

Before quoting, please read the background, what does 1 Peter 2:1 says?

1 Peter 2:1 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,

Let me teach you pertaining to Scriptures understanding & having revelation knowledge. Have Bolded in Red all the key words, have shown you that Peter is written specifically to the Jews right via Scriptures, then check what Jesus Himself (He's the Authority) says by using Scriptures to Interpret Scriptures:-

Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Matt 23:14 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

Matt 23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.

I believe you get the picture yes?One needs to be consistant in interpreting Scriptures as Scriptures is when comparing/contrasting after we know who wrote what & main targeted audience is who

Basically John/Peter/James are appointed to preach to the Jews whom are into works of the Law that clenses the outside but their insides are filthy. They are full of hypocrisy for they preach 1 thing but does the other.

In the eyes of GOD, if one sought to be justified by the works of the Law then it has to be all perfect 10 Commandments inside (thoughts/feelings) & deeds. If fail 1, then fail ALL (epistles of James covered that).

Now therefore am only answering you 2 of your statements which i've shown via Scriptures that your reading of them are full of ERRORS hence i needn't dispute the rest

Therefore please read some more/ slowly/ carefully & read some more plus reserching words used in the Greek (be it a Verb or Noun/ Present or Continuious Present tense or past tense & the likes). Compare & contrast with OT versus against NT.

OT is the NT concealed, NT is the OT revealed. One must read everything it it's proper context for 90% of Christiandom are reading like Thousand Island Salad (by mixing everything up) without proper Revelation Knowledge hence the Bride of Christ/Church has been suffering since the death of the apostles in being weak/sick/poor/lack & die early.

Lastly, please read carefully (before & after whatever scriptures i've quoted from & the backdrop), those that confess their sins are making a mockery & insulting the finished work of Jesus plus not to mention self righteousness (Not according to what you say-humble).

GOD word says that once the believer accepts Christ, he/she's eternally Righteous/ Sanctified & have the forgiveness of sins (we have & hence needn't try getting it) plus PERFRECTED in HIS Eyes/estimation, are you & all advocators saying that you can be 'perfected' better that what HE has PERFRECTED you? Food for thought yes?

hudechek · Sep 7, 2010

gideon army said:
Nope, if you read carefully i've never stated in & out of my own that John was written to Non Christian & Christian alike.

I just agreed with that? when i said "John was yes written to new Christians and non-Christians you are correct." that was in full agreeance am i wrong?

I've stated using Scriptures that the Epistles of John/Peter/James were all written specifically to the Jews (Non Believers of Christ)

did you miss were I showed who Peter and James were written to?

If you read carefully & within it's above entire context together with 1 Peter 1:2 then you'll know Peter was addressing the Jews. The Strangers up there are the greek word for those ppl not in their own home country.

I think you are only getting the face value of what the purpose of these book are and who they are written to.

I've quoted you in Gal 2:9 (Makes things shorter) stating that John/Peter/James are called to preach the Gospels to the Unbelieveing Jews & you kept stating that you do your homework/reserched before typing, have you again? See we see beyond any shadow of doubt that Peter are called to the Jews (Non Believers in Christ)

let me state something here to stop this DELUSION you have that i don't do my home work. I have in front of me when I respond three written bibles bibles, a KJV, NIV and NLT, all three of which being STUDY BIBLES plus e-sword which i have 12 extra bible translation on my computer with include a literal translation of the bible a greek new testament and a hebrew old testament. one of which is a Fire bible global study edition which if you don't know is the most comprehensive study bible out. along with a concordance and the fact that i am going to school to be a pastor drives me to want to know scripture so do not be little my ablity to study and research what i say to you any longer, it is tedious (in your words). not to mention you keep changing the argument you never stay planted.

Peter was called to the Jews because he was born a Jew, Paul was sent to the Gentiles or heathens because he was born a Gentile.

Before quoting, please read the background, what does 1 Peter 2:1 says?

1 Peter 2:1 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,

Let me teach you pertaining to Scriptures understanding & having revelation knowledge. Have Bolded in Red all the key words, have shown you that Peter is written specifically to the Jews right via Scriptures, then check what Jesus Himself (He's the Authority) says by using Scriptures to Interpret Scriptures:-

Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Matt 23:14 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

Matt 23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.

I believe you get the picture yes?One needs to be consistant in interpreting Scriptures as Scriptures is when comparing/contrasting after we know who wrote what & main targeted audience is who

Did you just call me a Pharisee?!

Basically John/Peter/James are appointed to preach to the Jews whom are into works of the Law that clenses the outside but their insides are filthy. They are full of hypocrisy for they preach 1 thing but does the other.

In the eyes of GOD, if one sought to be justified by the works of the Law then it has to be all perfect 10 Commandments inside (thoughts/feelings) & deeds. If fail 1, then fail ALL (epistles of James covered that).

Now therefore am only answering you 2 of your statements which i've shown via Scriptures that your reading of them are full of ERRORS hence i needn't dispute the rest

A] you just agreed with what i said. Paul reprimanded John/Peter/James because they were being hypocrites.
&
B] you just made up an arguing point what the heck?
&
C] your arguments never make sense

OT is the NT concealed, NT is the OT revealed. One must read everything it it's proper context for 90% of Christiandom are reading like Thousand Island Salad (by mixing everything up) without proper Revelation Knowledge hence the Bride of Christ/Church has been suffering since the death of the apostles in being weak/sick/poor/lack & die early.

I am really sick of you preaching to me like I have no clue what being Christian is about or how i don't know how to read the bible. you sit here and try and thrash me and strip me of my credibility but you sit her and speck like a religious man (some one concerned with the law if you don't know) and I speck out of a relationship with god I seek to know him on a personal level and gain my revelation through him. your argument strays from the original point of confession to something totally random.

Lastly, please read carefully (before & after whatever scriptures i've quoted from & the backdrop), those that confess their sins are making a mockery & insulting the finished work of Jesus plus not to mention self righteousness (Not according to what you say-humble).

How is confessing self righteous? the confession that I am talking about is not that of the catholic religion. it is the confession to god and to other you have sinned against

GOD word says that once the believer accepts Christ, he/she's eternally Righteous/ Sanctified & have the forgiveness of sins (we have & hence needn't try getting it) plus PERFRECTED in HIS Eyes/estimation, are you & all advocators saying that you can be 'perfected' better that what HE has PERFRECTED you? Food for thought yes?

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this is my last straw with you man, the point of confessing is to show you know you did it. to establish a better relation ship with god. and above all else help you from not making that mistake AGAIN. yes they the blood we are saved past and future. but the acknowledgement of say what you did and asking god to help is far from making a mockery of Jesus' work.

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gideon army · Sep 7, 2010

hudechek said:
(1) let me state something here to stop this DELUSION you have that i don't do my home work. I have in front of me when I respond three written bibles bibles, a KJV, NIV and NLT, all three of which being STUDY BIBLES plus e-sword which i have 12 extra bible translation on my computer with include a literal translation of the bible a greek new testament and a hebrew old testament. one of which is a Fire bible global study edition which if you don't know is the most comprehensive study bible out. along with a concordance and the fact that i am going to school to be a pastor drives me to want to know scripture so do not be little my ablity to study and research what i say to you any longer, it is tedious (in your words). not to mention you keep changing the argument you never stay planted.

(2) Peter was called to the Jews because he was born a Jew, Paul was sent to the Gentiles or heathens because he was born a Gentile.

(1) Kudos to you speechless that you're so well equiped However if you say you have greek bible & concordance then how come you can claim that confess equates to 'Mainstream Christianity' confession of sins? Am not talking about the catholic kind you know? What does your concordence says about confess? How is it used (Assuming you're skilled in Greek since you're reading Greek Bible )

(2) Sice you have so many study tools/ various translations together with Concordence (Strong's?) / Greek & Hebrew bible then the following i got about apostle paul's Lineage/Pedigree fm NKJV are all crap (Whatever version of translations will also bear witness to what's furnished)

Phl 3:4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so:

Phl 3:5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee;

Phl 3:6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

hudechek said:
I am really sick of you preaching to me (1) like I have no clue what being Christian is about or how (2) i don't know how to read the bible. you sit here and try and thrash me and (3) strip me of my credibility

(1) Actually it's not me per say but Scriptures as Furnsihed have beyond any shadow of Doubt shown that you do not have a Clue what you are saying against what you are advocating.

(2) I believe you know how to read your scriptures, however am wondering why you are making so many errors

(3) Please don't be furious with me, blame on the Scriptures as furnished for stripping you of ANY Credibility, it's so glaring till Blind can see & deaf can hear

(3a) wondered if you've heard of this saying: Measured/weigh & found wanting

Gal 2:5 to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

False doctrines are dangerous pertaining to the things of GOD. Again i reiterate that Confession of sins is smacking/degrading/making a mockery out of Jesus's Finished works on the Cross for sins for all eternity.

You'll never find Epistles fm Paul written specifically to the Church/Bride of Christ asking them to confess their sins. On the contrary. All of Paul's epistles to the Church tells the believers in Christ that they are all Righteous/ Blameless / SanctifiED /HOLY before GOD regardless of their actions Am not advocating a sinful life here for it's written that GRACE will teach the believer to conduct themselves but It's GOD/Christ Himself who works in the believer by 1st giving him/her the wants then the strength to accomplish it. It's all about Christ & nothing of the believer.

Since you are learning to be a pastor then it'll do you good to read Kenneth E Hagin Sr Book on Grace.

You might also like to listen to a few Free Sermons preached by Joseph Prince of New Creation Church Singapore whom have been asked to PREACH at all major conferences around the world in all major cities.

Btw, Pastor Prince preach & administer to Senior Pastors from all denominations hence it's not your average run of the mill pastor

Joseph Prince Ministries :: Resources :: Podcast

Then again how many 'Just Another Pastor' you know whose Church was Personally asked by TBN Owners to be allowed to do a documantary?

However am not asking you guys to listen to 'another pastor' but the pastor who was featured in Chrisma Mag which is the Most Read Christian worldwide mag Prince of Grace - Spiritled Woman

There's 3 Free sermons in which Pastor Prince was featured Preaching to Pastors from Different Denominations around the world's Premier MAJOR Confrences

Joseph Prince Video Podcast - Download free podcast episodes by Joseph Prince on iTunes.

PLease watch the 3 free sermons as it'll be much shorter ( less laborious for me to explain to you)

NatalieJan777 · Sep 8, 2010

1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith. Lay hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you confessed the good confession in the sight of many witnesses.

That good confession is that sin will not be your guide and way of life and that you will now live for and in obedience to Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 13:15 Through him then let us offer up a sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of lips which make confession to his name.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, "'As I live,' says the Lord,'to me every knee will bow. Every tongue will confess to God.'"

For those who sin after thier initial confession:

Hebrews 3:13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.

1 John 1:10-11 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

No one has ever been sinless but Christ Jesus, this does not mean we are to remain in our sin. Our confession of unrighteousness is to GOD.

Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

Romans 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Romans 8:13-14 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

CONFESSION OF OUR FAITH AND LIFE IN CHRIST IS TO BE AN ONGOING THING.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

There is only one flock and they are both Jew and Gentile. You who seperate out Pauls teaching are being mislead and to your own distruction you allow it.

John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

To say the GOD of the Jew is not the same GOD of the Gentile is heretical.

SoundCard · Sep 8, 2010

Just a quick question.
James 5:16 NIV
16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

How do you reconcile your stance with that bit of scripture??

gideon army · Sep 9, 2010

SoundCard said:
Just a quick question.
James 5:16 NIV
16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

How do you reconcile your stance with that bit of scripture??

Hi there Soundcard, have you by any chance:-

(1) Watched the attached sermons?

(2) Read in earlier post fm me furnishing scriptures citing James/ John/ Peter were NEVER sent to preach to the Bride/Church of Christ? Instead it's written that they were sent to preach to Non Believing Jews

Therefore it's paramount to understand who is writing what & to whom is the targeted audience to know if it TO & FOR the bride/church of Christ.

If you read carefully fm the very begining then am sure you'll have lots of answers plus not to mention- be blessed endlessly when you read attached Charisma mag article plus watching those sermons attached- It'll surely take some of your time, however it'll have scales falling off your eyes

razeontherock · Sep 9, 2010

Confession IS Biblical.

RC concept of confession before a priest, that makes a Priest some different class of believer, is the Doctrine of the Nicolatians, (Nico = priesthood, latian = laity) which thing Jesus HATES. Yes, hates. As in, being reconciled to G-d, we must learn to hate it also even if that doesn't come naturally. Of course Jesus would hate this, because it tries to make His own shed blood ineffective!

Specifically, this is a power used to control people, including monetarily. When was the last time RC used the buying of indulgences? What, they re-instituted it recently? *shudder*

OTOH, if you're simply being accountable to a person, whom you trust, and they offer you Godly advice and help you overcome sin, well then, confession sure becomes a powerful part of the process of being made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!

SoundCard · Sep 9, 2010

razeontherock said:
Confession IS Biblical.

RC concept of confession before a priest, that makes a Priest some different class of believer, is the Doctrine of the Nicolatians, (Nico = priesthood, latian = laity) which thing Jesus HATES. Yes, hates. As in, being reconciled to G-d, we must learn to hate it also even if that doesn't come naturally. Of course Jesus would hate this, because it tries to make His own shed blood ineffective!

Specifically, this is a power used to control people, including monetarily. When was the last time RC used the buying of indulgences? What, they re-instituted it recently? *shudder*

OTOH, if you're simply being accountable to a person, whom you trust, and they offer you Godly advice and help you overcome sin, well then, confession sure becomes a powerful part of the process of being made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!

That's pretty much my stance on it. I'm not confessing things to a brother to earn God's forgiveness, but to keep the spiritual train on its tracks. We know God's works are quite encompassing, but we humans are frail, frail fickle things, getting tangled easily in briers when we should be breathing free. Confession lets us out of these self-made cages of condemnation and lets God shine His love on us and let's us see He still loves us, and loved us even when we were struggling. It's just another way He helps us, that's all.

gideon army · Sep 9, 2010

razeontherock said:
Confession IS Biblical.

I'll love to see proof from Paul's epistles asking believers to confess their sins

Anyway furnished Scripturally ealier in this thread that James/John & Peter are not preaching to Believers in Christ, they were sent to the Jews as in:-

gideon army said:
Any Chance you've missed the following where I've stated earlier that John/James/Peter were specifically preaching to the Unbelieving Jews?

Gal 2:9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

razeontherock said:
OTOH, if you're simply being accountable to a person, whom you trust, and they offer you Godly advice and help you overcome sin, (1) well then, confession sure becomes a powerful part of the process of (2) being made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!

(1) If what you say (Not Scriptural) is true about confession then is it not true that the confessor needs to take account of his/her sins? The Believers need to know about their sins in-order to confess right? On top of knowing their sins, they need to have a full account yes (if the believer is sincere & true)? Then does all of these not run contary to:-

1 Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron (kaustēriazō in the Greek & translate to read :- who carry about with them the perpetual consciousness of sin, Taken from Strong's Concordance)

(2) Are you saying that Scriptures have recorded wrongly when it's written:-

1 Cr 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from Godand righteousness and sanctification and redemption

Wow Praise Jesus? Or should i go:- nah 1 Cr 1:30 is nothing but dung?Am assuming because you said that believers are 'Being Made righteous' against what Scriptures saying that every believer are ALREADY Righteous to GOD in Christ

Hebrews 10:40 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Then again i believe you must also be calling the above bluff since you consider that Righteousness is a gradual step by step thingy when Scriptures says that ALL Believers are Perfected?

enuf said

razeontherock · Sep 9, 2010

No, that's not nearly enough said. As in almost every case of Brothers mistakenly thinking they're disagreeing, you're confusing Spiritual things with physical.

You are looking at Spiritual things, and that is where Salvation takes place; no worries.

I'm speaking of physical things, which confession is. This is consistent w/ (among other things) Isaiah 12, drawing water from the wells of Salvation.

IOW, Jesus was the Word made flesh, we are flesh to be made Word. There truly is something to attain unto, and a race to be run. Yet in all this we are more than conquerors.

Even though I said confession is a physical thing, what it really means is agreeing w/ G-d about what is sin. This can be mere mental assent, as in 2 Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ"

but it's still a physical manifestation of Spiritual Truth; i.e., obedience. This equates to knowledge, in the Biblical sense. Apply the definitions of wisdom, understanding and knowledge from Proverbs to this process and you see our obedience MATTERS. Also, that His people suffer for a lack of KNOWLEDGE.

So you see Salvation is instantaneous, but also ongoing.

Of course, if you want to rip everything out of your Bible that G-d ever said to a Jew I can't stop you, but it will a terrible loss to you. Those things do not apply to us THE SAME WAY they applied to the Jews because we are in a BETTER COVENANT, but if you want to know Jesus the NT does NOT do that! The detail is in the OT, which we are expected to know. (Yes, KNOW, as in first-hand experience type knowledge in the Biblical sense, like when Adam knew his wife)

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