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IamAdopted said:

I am a temple of the Living God. I have Gods spirit alive in Me.. I am born again. I am a new creation in Christ. For Christ lives in His people not in a peace of bread and a cup of wine. This is the Mystery.. Yea I stand at the door and knock. If anyone here my voice and let Me in I will come in and sup with him and he with ME.. Jesus words .

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So who do you have in you? The Holy Spirit or Christ?

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.


Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Iollain said:

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.


Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

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Was that supposed to be an answer?

Romans 8:9 says the Spirit of God dwells in us. That be the Holy Spirit.

8:10 says if Christ is in us, our body is dead, but if we have the Spirit we are alive.

8:11 "Spirit of Himin you" is the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit.

John 14:23-So now you say you have God the Father in you to? You need to understand what is meant....

if Christ [be] in you

we will come unto him, and make our abode with him


If you have the Spirit, which a Christian would, or they are not a Christian, then you have the Father and the Son.

That is how they do it, through the Spirit.

That is how the Church is the dwelling place of God, the Temple of God.

There is only One God.

repentant said:

Was that supposed to be an answer?

Romans 8:9 says the Spirit of God dwells in us. That be the Holy Spirit.

8:10 says if Christ is in us, our body is dead, but if we have the Spirit we are alive.

8:11 "Spirit of Himin you" is the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit.

John 14:23-So now you say you have God the Father in you to? You need to understand what is meant....

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I don't know the thoughts of others, but I think she is making a point; that were One of the Trinity is, the others are present. But that is just a guess, of her intent, by posting those scriptures.

*Iollian, do I get a prize, if I got it right?

B16uRock said:

I don't know the thoughts of others, but I think she is making a point; that were One of the Trinity is, the others are present. But that is just a guess, of her intent, by posting those scriptures.

*Iollian, do I get a prize, if I got it right?

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In essence sure, as all 3 are One. But they are distinct as serve 3 different purposes, but with One Will.

B16uRock said:

I don't know the thoughts of others, but I think she is making a point; that were One of the Trinity is, the others are present. But that is just a guess, of her intent, by posting those scriptures.

*Iollian, do I get a prize, if I got it right?

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Yes you do!!

Iollain said:

Yes you do!!

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LOL what a great pize... I want one.. Tee hee.. Not really don't want the insurance to go with this prize lol

repentant said:

In essence sure, as all 3 are One. But they are distinct as serve 3 different purposes, but with One Will.

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This is true, i didn't say i understood the Trinity fully, but that is how Jesus said it would happen, that is how God does it.

IamAdopted said:

LOL what a great pize... I want one.. Tee hee.. Not really don't want the insurance to go with this prize lol

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Insurance goes with the prize

Iollain said:

Yes you do!!

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I won!! Thank you, thank you..

repentant said:

In essence sure, as all 3 are One. But they are distinct as serve 3 different purposes, but with One Will.

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I am not really familiar, with Orthodox teaches; so maybe this is where Catholicism and Orthodoxy differ.

However, my priest was speaking about this last Sunday. Which is why I picked up on Iollian's scriptures.

B16uRock said:

I am not really familiar, with Orthodox teaches; so maybe this is where Catholicism and Orthodoxy differ.

However, my priest was speaking about this last Sunday. Which is why I picked up on Iollian's scriptures.

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We differ in alot of ways..

But what I mean is..Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One God in 3 essences..but each serve different purposes. It's like the heart, lungs and brain. All 3 are different, work independant of each but all 3 are needed for the body to function. the heart couldn't do it's job if the lungs weren't working, and the lungs couldn't function if the heart wasn't working. So allthough they are independant organs, they serve one function, and make up one body.

B16uRock said:

Catholics believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and follow all the other examples you listed. We take Jesus literally, when He said..."This is my Body" and "This is my Blood", so recieving the Eucharist is a very intimate and personal way, to experince Jesus in our lives.

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That is what i would call another annointing, for lack of a better word.

repentant said:

We differ in alot of ways..

But what I mean is..Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One God in 3 essences..but each serve different purposes. It's like the heart, lungs and brain. All 3 are different, work independant of each but all 3 are needed for the body to function. the heart couldn't do it's job if the lungs weren't working, and the lungs couldn't function if the heart wasn't working. So allthough they are independant organs, they serve one function, and make up one body.

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I see what your saying, here is what the CCC say, which can explain it better than I can. 260 deals with it directly, and the last part is a prayer to the Trinity, by St. Elizabeth of the Trinity. If the footnotes don't link, I put the link to the page, and they can be view there.

THE DIVINE WORKS AND THE TRINITARIAN MISSIONS

[URL="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p2.htm#260"]Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 1 ARTICLE 1 PARAGRAPH [/URL]

2257 "O blessed light, O Trinity and first Unity!"93 God is eternal blessedness, undying life, unfading light. God is love: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God freely wills to communicate the glory of his blessed life. Such is the "plan of his loving kindness", conceived by the Father before the foundation of the world, in his beloved Son: "He destined us in love to be his sons" and "to be conformed to the image of his Son", through "the spirit of sonship".94 This plan is a "grace [which] was given to us in Christ Jesus before the ages began", stemming immediately from Trinitarian love.95 It unfolds in the work of creation, the whole history of salvation after the fall, and the missions of the Son and the Spirit, which are continued in the mission of the Church.96


258 The whole divine economy is the common work of the three divine persons. For as the Trinity has only one and the same natures so too does it have only one and the same operation: "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three principles of creation but one principle."97 However, each divine person performs the common work according to his unique personal property. Thus the Church confesses, following the New Testament, "one God and Father from whom all things are, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and one Holy Spirit in whom all things are".98 It is above all the divine missions of the Son's Incarnation and the gift of the Holy Spirit that show forth the properties of the divine persons.

259 Being a work at once common and personal, the whole divine economy makes known both what is proper to the divine persons, and their one divine nature. Hence the whole Christian life is a communion with each of the divine persons, without in any way separating them. Everyone who glorifies the Father does so through the Son in the Holy Spirit; everyone who follows Christ does so because the Father draws him and the Spirit moves him.99

260 The ultimate end of the whole divine economy is the entry of God's creatures into the perfect unity of the Blessed Trinity.100 But even now we are called to be a dwelling for the Most Holy Trinity: "If a man loves me", says the Lord, "he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him":101



O my God, Trinity whom I adore, help me forget myself entirely so to establish myself in you, unmovable and peaceful as if my soul were already in eternity. May nothing be able to trouble my peace or make me leave you, O my unchanging God, but may each minute bring me more deeply into your mystery! Grant my soul peace. Make it your heaven, your beloved dwelling and the place of your rest. May I never abandon you there, but may I be there, whole and entire, completely vigilant in my faith, entirely adoring, and wholly given over to your creative action.102

B16uRock said:

I see what your saying, here is what the CCC say, which can explain it better than I can.

THE DIVINE WORKS AND THE TRINITARIAN MISSIONS

[URL="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p2.htm#260"]Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 1 ARTICLE 1 PARAGRAPH

2257[/URL] "O blessed light, O Trinity and first Unity!"93 God is eternal blessedness, undying life, unfading light. God is love: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God freely wills to communicate the glory of his blessed life. Such is the "plan of his loving kindness", conceived by the Father before the foundation of the world, in his beloved Son: "He destined us in love to be his sons" and "to be conformed to the image of his Son", through "the spirit of sonship".94 This plan is a "grace [which] was given to us in Christ Jesus before the ages began", stemming immediately from Trinitarian love.95 It unfolds in the work of creation, the whole history of salvation after the fall, and the missions of the Son and the Spirit, which are continued in the mission of the Church.96
258 The whole divine economy is the common work of the three divine persons. For as the Trinity has only one and the same natures so too does it have only one and the same operation: "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three principles of creation but one principle."97 However, each divine person performs the common work according to his unique personal property. Thus the Church confesses, following the New Testament, "one God and Father from whom all things are, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and one Holy Spirit in whom all things are".98 It is above all the divine missions of the Son's Incarnation and the gift of the Holy Spirit that show forth the properties of the divine persons.
259 Being a work at once common and personal, the whole divine economy makes known both what is proper to the divine persons, and their one divine nature. Hence the whole Christian life is a communion with each of the divine persons, without in any way separating them. Everyone who glorifies the Father does so through the Son in the Holy Spirit; everyone who follows Christ does so because the Father draws him and the Spirit moves him.99
260 The ultimate end of the whole divine economy is the entry of God's creatures into the perfect unity of the Blessed Trinity.100 But even now we are called to be a dwelling for the Most Holy Trinity: "If a man loves me", says the Lord, "he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him":101
O my God, Trinity whom I adore, help me forget myself entirely so to establish myself in you, unmovable and peaceful as if my soul were already in eternity. May nothing be able to trouble my peace or make me leave you, O my unchanging God, but may each minute bring me more deeply into your mystery! Grant my soul peace. Make it your heaven, your beloved dwelling and the place of your rest. May I never abandon you there, but may I be there, whole and entire, completely vigilant in my faith, entirely adoring, and wholly given over to your creative action.102

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97 However, each divine person performs the common work according to his unique personal property.

And I really don't get this..

"The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three principles of creation but one principle

Are they saying they were created?

no, i take it that writing is saying that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, always were one, not all the sudden God split [created] into three

repentant said:

97 However, each divine person performs the common work according to his unique personal property.

And I really don't get this..

"The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three principles of creation but one principle

Are they saying they were created?

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No, we don't believe they were created, I think that is referring to the each played a part in creation. In the summery it list. See 267


261 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of the Christian faith and of Christian life. God alone can make it known to us by revealing himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

262 The Incarnation of God's Son reveals that God is the eternal Father and that the Son is consubstantial with the Father, which means that, in the Father and with the Father the Son is one and the same God.

263 The mission of the Holy Spirit, sent by the Father in the name of the Son (Jn 14:26) and by the Son "from the Father" (Jn 15:26), reveals that, with them, the Spirit is one and the same God. "With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified" (Nicene Creed)
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264 "The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father as the first principle and, by the eternal gift of this to the Son, from the communion of both the Father and the Son" (St. Augustine, De Trin. 15, 26, 47: PL 42, 1095).

265 By the grace of Baptism "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit", we are called to share in the life of the Blessed Trinity, here on earth in the obscurity of faith, and after death in eternal light (cf. Paul VI, CPG § 9).

266 "Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son's is another, the Holy Spirit's another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal" (Athanasian Creed: DS 75; ND 16).
267 Inseparable in what they are, the divine persons are also inseparable in what they do. But within the single divine operation each shows forth what is proper to him in the Trinity, especially in the divine missions of the Son's Incarnation and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Also the footnotes for the phares, in question...has the Council of Constantinople II as the original source. I guess I could see if I could find the documents from that Council, and see if I can find the orginal reference.


97 Council of Florence (1442): DS 1331; cf. Council of Constantinople II (553): DS 421.
98 Council of Constantinople II: DS 421.
99 Cf. Jn 6:44; Rom 8:14.
100 Cf. Jn 17:21-23.
101 Jn 14:23.

Yea got it..