Co-Redeemer?

IamAdopted · Mar 30, 2007

All that is written in scripture and required of Mary was that she was a virgin found to be with child. this is all she was required. that is why God told Joseph to go ahead and marry her for after the birth of Jesus all that was required of her had been completed. So this is why Joseph did not know her untif after Christ was born. After that she was as free in Christ as any of us are to marry or be given in marriage. For it is only through the blood of the Cross that any person can be saved. Mary being the same.

Benedicta00 · Mar 30, 2007

Sorry, IAA but that just don't fly.

The angel said, "You shall convince", never said when she will... and if she was planning on a regular marriage to Joesph, she would not have questioned "How can this be? I know not a man."

This does prove Mary never intended to have relations and be married in the way you believ she was.

lionroar0 · Mar 30, 2007

ah, mystery. synonymous for "we have no real good explanation, hence it's a mystery.

Last time I checked the incarnation was a mystery as in we can't phathom the mystery of the incarnation.

I would love to hear the methodology of the incarnation.

Since it seems that you know how God who is eternal and uncontainable took on flesh and was contained inside the womb of Mary.

Peace

Peace

Uphill Battle · Mar 30, 2007

Asinner said:
When it comes to the meanings of words in the original text, then yes.

and I am not saying he is not right about that. Yunaika means woman. great.

but saying "your woman" does not imply posessive conotation, and implies intimate relationship, is just plain foolishness. It's pulling the wool over your OWN eyes.

lionroar0 · Mar 30, 2007

Ah, something natural.... like a man and wife..... oh, nevermind.

Tell me, if Mary and Joseph knew Jesus was God, do you think they would have chastized him for the "stunt" he pulled at the temple at the ae of 12?

Jesus is their child. Joseph His adopted father and Mary His mother. They were given the task of guading him till He was a grown man by God.

Your comparing apples to oranges.

Peace

Uphill Battle · Mar 30, 2007

lionroar0 said:
Jesus is their child. Joseph His adopted father and Mary His mother. They were given the task of guading him till He was a grown man by God.

Your comparing apples to oranges.

Peace

I'm doing no such thing.

Would a "good Jew" Chastize God?

hardly.

Great big fat hole in the theory that they knew he was God.

repentant · Mar 31, 2007

Uphill Battle said:
I'm doing no such thing.

Would a "good Jew" Chastize God?

hardly.

Great big fat hole in the theory that they knew he was God.

So Elizabeth knew, and they didn't?

Luke 1:43
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

What was the first thing Mary said after this? Was it, "what are you talking about"? No it was..

My soul doth magnify the Lord

IamAdopted · Mar 31, 2007

Benedicta00 said:
Sorry, IAA but that just don't fly.

The angel said, "You shall convince", never said when she will... and if she was planning on a regular marriage to Joesph, she would not have questioned "How can this be? I know not a man."

This does prove Mary never intended to have relations and be married in the way you believ she was.

She didn't know a man Bene. She was a virgin before she was married. They are betrothed for a year. Before the ceremony. Mary was a mere Human being that had a servants heart and gave birth to the Humanity of Christ. After this requirement was fullfilled she was as free to marry as anyone is. Which she was already married but Joseph being a righteous man kept her a virgin Until the birth of Christ. She did not know a man until Christ was born. God blesses those who are faithful to Him and one of the blessings is children for they are an inheritence of the Lord. In fact the bible goes on to show us that two of her other children followed Christ after His death and became writers of the NT. This does not take away from Mary but adds to her.

lionroar0 · Mar 31, 2007

I'm doing no such thing.

Would a "good Jew" Chastize God?

hardly.

Great big fat hole in the theory that they knew he was God.

Your assuming that they are chastising God.

Mary and Joseph asked Him why He did what He did and that they were worried.

From the amplified.

48And when they [Joseph and Mary] saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, Child, why have You treated us like this? Here Your father and I have been anxiously looking for You [distressed and tormented].

Looks like they were distressed and tormented, because they failed to do what they were supposed to do.

I noticed that you haven't answered my question about the incarnation.

Peace

Benedicta00 · Mar 31, 2007

Uphill Battle said:
I'm doing no such thing.

Would a "good Jew" Chastize God?

hardly.

Great big fat hole in the theory that they knew he was God.

And where do we ever see Joesph chastising Jesus?

Benedicta00 · Mar 31, 2007

repentant said:
So Elizabeth knew, and they didn't?

Luke 1:43
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

What was the first thing Mary said after this? Was it, "what are you talking about"? No it was..

My soul doth magnify the Lord

tulc · Mar 31, 2007

I noticed that you haven't answered my question about the incarnation.

Ahhh! What question was that?
tulc(likes to help if he can)

lionroar0 · Apr 1, 2007

Ahhh! What question was that?
tulc(likes to help if he can)

This is the question that I had asked.

Last time I checked the incarnation was a mystery as in we can't phathom the mystery of the incarnation.

I would love to hear the methodology of the incarnation.

Since it seems that you know how God who is eternal and uncontainable took on flesh and was contained inside the womb of Mary.

Peace

IamAdopted · Apr 1, 2007

lionroar0 said:
This is the question that I had asked.

Last time I checked the incarnation was a mystery as in we can't phathom the mystery of the incarnation.

I would love to hear the methodology of the incarnation.

Since it seems that you know how God who is eternal and uncontainable took on flesh and was contained inside the womb of Mary.

Peace

But it is not God who was in the womb of Mary but the Word of God. He was made flesh. Where His people of old carried Gods word in a box made of Gopher wood being God with us He then made His word to be contained in Human likeness. Jesus being translated God with us. And now that He had died and been resurrected we also are born from above through the Holy Spirit. Christ in us the Hope of Glory.

IamAdopted · Apr 1, 2007

IamAdopted said:
But it is not God who was in the womb of Mary but the Word of God. He was made flesh. Where His people of old carried Gods word in a box made of Gopher wood being God with us He then made His word to be contained in Human likeness. Jesus being translated God with us. And now that He had died and been resurrected we also are born from above through the Holy Spirit. Christ in us the Hope of Glory.

I meant to say Emmanuel being translated God is with us.

Mobiosity · Apr 1, 2007

IamAdopted said:
All that is written in scripture and required of Mary was that she was a virgin found to be with child. this is all she was required. that is why God told Joseph to go ahead and marry her for after the birth of Jesus all that was required of her had been completed. So this is why Joseph did not know her untif after Christ was born. After that she was as free in Christ as any of us are to marry or be given in marriage. For it is only through the blood of the Cross that any person can be saved. Mary being the same.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to IamAdopted again.

Mobiosity · Apr 1, 2007

IamAdopted said:
She didn't know a man Bene. She was a virgin before she was married. They are betrothed for a year. Before the ceremony. Mary was a mere Human being that had a servants heart and gave birth to the Humanity of Christ. After this requirement was fullfilled she was as free to marry as anyone is. Which she was already married but Joseph being a righteous man kept her a virgin Until the birth of Christ. She did not know a man until Christ was born. God blesses those who are faithful to Him and one of the blessings is children for they are an inheritence of the Lord. In fact the bible goes on to show us that two of her other children followed Christ after His death and became writers of the NT. This does not take away from Mary but adds to her.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to IamAdopted again.

Mobiosity · Apr 1, 2007

tulc said:
Ahhh! What question was that?
tulc(likes to help if he can)

Good question, tulc!
mobi (one of tulc's greatest fans)
imitation=flattery

xtreN · Apr 1, 2007

IamAdopted said:
How is it that Mary can hold this title? She had nothing to do with redeeming man from sin?

Hello,

Mary is not a co-redeemer.

There is only One Redeemer and only One that shed His Holy Godly blood on the Cross for all flesh.

God has no favorites; we are all One in LOVE through His son Jesus Christ when we truly want to step away from the darkness and into the light.

I am no greator than Mary and Mary is no greator than i (any of God's true children); we all become righteous, holy and pure by TRUTHFULLY and HEARTFULLY receiving the only ONE who is Righteous, Holy and Pure.

God's children are ONE in LOVE.

Thank you for your question

THERE IS ONLY ONE GREATOR THAN ALL, GOD, WHO BECAME JESUS CHRIST SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.
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sunlover1 · Apr 1, 2007

xtreN said:
Hello,

Mary is not a co-redeemer.

There is only One Redeemer and only One that shed His Holy Godly blood on the Cross for all flesh.

God has no favorites; we are all One in LOVE through His son Jesus Christ when we truly want to step away from the darkness and into the light.

I am no greator than Mary and Mary is no greator than i (any of God's true children); we all become righteous, holy and pure by TRUTHFULLY and HEARTFULLY receiving the only ONE who is Righteous, Holy and Pure.

God's children are ONE in LOVE.

Thank you for your question

THERE IS ONLY ONE GREATOR THAN ALL, GOD, WHO BECAME JESUS CHRIST SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.
xtreN

signature: If someone's righteousness comes by the law than Christ died in VAIN.

Welcome Xtren.

Good answer.
I too believe there is
one redeemer.
We are redeemed by the blood
of the Lamb.

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