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True, but most of the people here complaining about circumcison do so because they don't think religious beliefs are valid.
I'm against infant circumcision and I'm female.I have noticed, I think, that all but ONE poster in this thread who gives a dissenting opinion on circumcision are males. All the ladies seem to be saying "So what, it's not like they chopped off your whole member or something. Life goes on."
I find this interesting.
If a woman has such a partner she should find another one that shares her viewpoints.Any pleasure a woman may experience is secondary and of no import to the male, who derives his entire identity through his genitals.
If a woman does not want to conceive it is her right to have a tubal, abstain or have partners that use condoms or have vasectomies.That's why men have vasectomies at half the rate women have tubals in spite of the fact that a tubal is way more invasive.
How many people on convicted rapist and murders have been exonerated in the past 10 years because of mistakes and bad evidence? Now you want to have the same legal systems remove body parts?It's why men fight tooth and nail to prevent any law that would require sex predators from being castrated.
It's why men usually have fewer problems with abortion since it doesn't involve their precious organ.
About 500,000 vasectomies are performed in the United States every year. It is one of the most popular operations there is. Veritas; sharp instruments are used.In short, no sharp objects should be allowed anywhere near a man's holy and sacred member. Yada, yada, yada.
Ok, I can go with that.
Says who? You? Presumably, they do not believe it's barbaric. So how do we know which opinion is "correct"? Have you read any sociological/anthropological studies on these barbaric rites of passage?
Then it seems to be a pretty arbitrary decision. Seeing as how this is an Ethics forum -- how do we determine whether a "barbaric" act is moral or immoral? How do we determine whether pushing our cultural values on another culture is moral or immoral? =D (Yay philosophy!)
On what basis do you make that argument? What makes you think we oppose it for the religious reasons and not because it is an un-necessary barbaric ritual that hurts millions of newborns? Isn't that enough of a reason?True, but most of the people here complaining about circumcison do so because they don't think religious beliefs are valid.
Gah, damn you previous post where I promised not to comment furtherLeft to their own devices neither a sperm or egg will become a new life. Only when they get together, when fertillization occurs, does new life start. But again, that's a different topic.
I'm against infant circumcision and I'm female.
You are awesome. Most women I know in all the industrial contries I have been too DONT circumcise their children. Circumcision is exceedly rare in these nations.I'm against infant circumcision and I'm female.
Yasic said:On what basis do you make that argument? What makes you think we oppose it for the religious reasons and not because it is an un-necessary barbaric ritual that hurts millions of newborns? Isn't that enough of a reason?
Yasic said:Gah, damn you previous post where I promised not to comment further
Secondly others users, including myself, pointing out that circumcisions don't qualify as 'barbaric mutilations'.
I believe the comments were "I support circumcision in the few cases where it is medically necessary" as in for the times when a baby is born with a deformed foreskin and faces serious medical issues if he does not get a circumcision.Firstly, the several users who've written something along the lines of "I don't support circumcison for religious reasons, but I support it for medical reasons." (Lots of comments here, forgive me if I don't dig them up).
It is not uncommon for users on here to be wrong.Secondly others users, including myself, pointing out that circumcisions don't qualify as 'barbaric mutilations'.
At least we have some points in commonThat's the internet. I planned to stop posting about 10 pages ago.
So if removing breast tissue to prevent disease is "absurd"...Why isn't removing genital tissue to prevent disease also "absurb?"This is absurd and you know it. How many more bizzare ideas can you come up with?
Yasic said:I believe the comments were "I support circumcision in the few cases where it is medically necessary" as in for the times when a baby is born with a deformed foreskin and faces serious medical issues if he does not get a circumcision.
Ayersy said:Oh, as for my opinion, I hold religious circumcision to be completely pointless, and also wrong. It serves no purpose but to remove choice from the penis-owner.
Exial said:Forcing your religious beliefs your child by cutting off parts of his genitalia is wrong and if I could I would ban it.
Yasic said:It is not uncommon for users on here to be wrong.
No, I'm not well-read on this subject in general. But I just think that circumcision isn't such a pressing issue that it can't wait until consent can be given. Can you give me a reason why the procedure HAS to be done before said consent can be given?
I draw the line when irreversible modifications to ones body are forced upon them without consent.
I'm in the Netherlands, and babies are not circumcised over here - except the babies of muslims and jews. Most men have intact penises over here.You are awesome. Most women I know in all the industrial contries I have been too DONT circumcise their children. Circumcision is exceedly rare in these nations.
Sex isn't pleasurable for you?
Why? Do you think they were being spiteful?
Is this a physiology thing, or a male insecurity thing?
It's difficult to touch? Really?
But is the scar itself negative, or is it simply a reminder?
Do you really care what other people think?
Two points:
1, which I think I brought up before, is that I *think* that there are men who would rather have been circumcised at birth due to the pain factor and/or trauma -- real or imagined -- of having it done as an adult. If it's any indication, lots of guys squirm when they find out I've had a vasectomy -- let alone some of the piercings I've had.
Selfinflikted: As I pointed out to Wiccan_Child, there are fairly few advantages / disadvantaged to be circumcised or uncircumcised that it hardly affects their lives. If it's so ineffectual it's rather over-dramatic to call it 'barbaric mutilation'.
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