Hehe....those commandments were given before the Temple was built. Plus we see some of them even before the Mishkan. Sacrifice, holy ground, bread and wine offering to priests....etc
More to the point- if you think the worship instructions of the Torah are no longer in force- what are you left with? Human opinion? Why do people get to throw out all the Torah commands about the "how" of worship but want to brawl, fight and accuse over the "when"? We know that pretty much the bulk of the Moedim are vitally connected in some way to the Temple/Mishkan. For example, you can't do Pesach the Bible way without a sacrifice and a priesthood. Nor can you do Yom Kippur, or First Fruits without a priesthood.
So, why are we allowed to abrogate some parts of the Torah ("annul the Law"- which would be against forum rules to teach) and not others- and who gets to judge?
Just pointing out what looks rather inconsistent to me- but what do I know? I'm not very intelligent.
I said nothing about the Torah being no longer in force or that it was abrogated, but that the parts in regard to Temple practice apply when there is a Temple. The command to keep Passover only applies on the 14th of Nisan, so does that mean that someone who doesn't keep that command on the 15th thinks the Torah has been abrogated? No, of course not. If someone who is living in Florida doesn't keep California State laws, should they be arrested? No, California State laws only apply to people living in California. Was Jesus violating the Torah when he didn't obey the law that was in regard to a woman's period? No, understanding how the law applies is important. We don't need to keep the parts that aren't applicable, but we should still keep the parts that are.
Again, you're focusing on the "when", and not addressing the "how". How do we worship, according to the Bible?
That's what the Torah is about. I can't answer your question without reciting it, so it would be easier to just link it:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis+1&version=CJB
Nice. Condescending. I'm not asking you to read the Torah- just explain how you understand it.
It's possible for someone to pray for things that are against God's will that would not be in His name, even if they were to tack that on to the end of their prayer. Similarly, when we, as God's representatives, act against God's will, then we are taking his name in vain. Jesus said not to stop others from using his name because they were doing his will. Now, is it in God's will to celebrate pagan holidays and to worship God in the way that the pagans do? No, God specifically commanded the Israelites not to worship Him in their way. The problem with Christmas and Easter is twofold in that they both worship God in the way of the pagans and they neglect to worship God in the way that He commanded.
To me a positive thing happened at Thanksgiving. My son who has drifted from the Lord was talking about Christmas. He does the tree, lights, gift giving and I believe his kids believe in Santa Claus. That ofcourse I'd not the positive! He did say he had had it with people saying Xmas instead of Christmas. He called someone on it and said it's not Xmas it's CHRISTmas
and that's what it's about
May not seem like much but it was only s few weeks ago he said "can we not talk about God today, I really don't feel like it". So when he told me about the Xmas thing it gave me hope. Needless to say I pray for him and his family all the time. They know I absolutely will not do Halloween and that I keep the Sabbath. They also know my past and I'm not perfect. It did give me s Ray of hope tho when he denounced Xmas.
I'm sorry, it's a really broad topic with a lifetime to understand. Would it hurt you to ask a more specific question?
In spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.” 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.Again, you're focusing on the "when", and not addressing the "how". How do we worship, according to the Bible?
In spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.” 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
The Torah and bible are very similar. Both are Holy Scriptures. The Torah points to Jesus as the fulfillment of the Law. The New Testament shows His fulfillment. In that verse, it is discussed by the woman at the well, which places she should worship God, in Jerusalem or Mt Gerizim or where...? Jesus answered that it isn't the place that is important, it is the relationship. In "spirit and in truth". True worship is from the heart. With the coming of the Christ it was not necessary to have the Jews and Gentiles separated, and not necessary to have the temple anymore. With the coming of the Christ, all of God's children gained equal access through Christ. Worship became a matter of the heart not external actions, directed by heart not ceremony.But how do you worship God in spirit and in truth? That takes us back to needing to read the Torah.
We see them to be the same thing... Just different words to reveal the value... One reveals the character, and the other reveals the story.The Torah and bible are very similar. .......
At this point things can be tricky though. If he finds that Christmas was indeed set up to mimic the resurrection of the sun god after the solstice, then it could backfire. That information is out there, so if he is challenged by someone to research it, that's what he will find. Here is information about His real birth date: http://restoringourjewishroots.blogspot.com/2009/09/yeshua-born-sept-11-3-bc.htmlTo me a positive thing happened at Thanksgiving. My son who has drifted from the Lord was talking about Christmas. He does the tree, lights, gift giving and I believe his kids believe in Santa Claus. That ofcourse I'd not the positive! He did say he had had it with people saying Xmas instead of Christmas. He called someone on it and said it's not Xmas it's CHRISTmas
and that's what it's about
May not seem like much but it was only s few weeks ago he said "can we not talk about God today, I really don't feel like it". So when he told me about the Xmas thing it gave me hope. Needless to say I pray for him and his family all the time. They know I absolutely will not do Halloween and that I keep the Sabbath. They also know my past and I'm not perfect. It did give me s Ray of hope tho when he denounced Xmas.
The Torah and bible are very similar. Both are Holy Scriptures.
Worship became a matter of the heart not external actions, directed by heart not ceremony.
At this point things can be tricky though. If he finds that Christmas was indeed set up to mimic the resurrection of the sun god after the solstice, then it could backfire. That information is out there, so if he is challenged by someone to research it, that's what he will find. Here is information about His real birth date: http://restoringourjewishroots.blogspot.com/2009/09/yeshua-born-sept-11-3-bc.html
Certainly we should seize any opportunity to share the truth of Scripture. I think it ought to be the whole truth though. You don't have to blurt everything out all at once, of course. Just keep up the dialogue so you stay a step ahead of the atheist anti-missionaries.
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