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madaz · Sep 27, 2013

Is it morally acceptable for Christians to engage in "swinging"?

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wintermile · Sep 27, 2013

I would rather be harassed by christian dominionists than christian swingers.

These swingers use faith to demonstrate they do not love the law.

Of the numerous individuals who will accept Yeshua's gift of salvation during end times, none of the individuals will name swingers as witnesses.

Serendipity.. · Sep 27, 2013

Now what makes me think that won't catch on or last long..

Maybe this:
1 Corinthians 6
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”b 17But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.c

Serendipity.. · Sep 27, 2013

wintermile said:
I would rather be harassed by christian dominionists than christian swingers.

These swingers use faith to demonstrate they do not love the law.

Of the numerous individuals who will accept Yeshua's gift of salvation during end times, none of the individuals will name swingers as witnesses.

Thats the thing, they might end up being faithful believers later that are led astray by wrong teachings and sexual desires of youth for a while. They can think about it paying for child maintenance and divorces afterwards.

Jonathan95 · Sep 27, 2013

If one engages in unrepentant sin like that, and excuses it, he's not a Christian

madaz · Sep 27, 2013

Jonathan95 said:
If one engages in unrepentant sin like that, and excuses it, he's not a Christian

Who are the victims and what is the sin?

Eudaimonist · Sep 27, 2013

madaz said:
Is it morally acceptable for Christians to engage in "swinging"?

Moral according to what standard?

If you mean moral according to Pauline sexual morality, almost certainly not.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Jonathan95 · Sep 27, 2013

Eudaimonist said:
Moral according to what standard?

If you mean moral according to Pauline sexual morality, almost certainly not.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Your conscience tells you it's immoral.

madaz said:
Who are the victims and what is the sin?

What do you mean who are the victims? The sin is commited against a Holy God. It's self-seeking love, lust, which is not of God.

Eudaimonist · Sep 27, 2013

Jonathan95 said:
Your conscience tells you it's immoral.

Yours might. Mine might. I'm not convinced that theirs does.

eudaimonia,

Mark

madaz · Sep 27, 2013

Jonathan95 said:
Your conscience tells you it's immoral.
What do you mean who are the victims?
The sin is commited against a Holy God. It's self-seeking love, lust, which is not of God.

An immoral act produces a victim, that is a reason why it is immoral. Are you suggesting god is being victimized here?

Rajni · Sep 27, 2013

madaz said:
Is it morally acceptable for Christians to engage in "swinging"?

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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]Wow. That's .... interesting!

It's probably not seen as moral if certain bible verses are used, but the bible is very ... flexible ... so one could use it to justify pretty much anything.

[/FONT]I'm just speculating here .... I'm wondering how successful the average swinging-couple (Christian or otherwise) is in sustaining their primary relationships with their spouses doing it this way.

The reason I say this, is that in the Old Testament, 'biblical marriage' consisted of multiple people (wives/concubines ... I don't recall multiple husbands but it's been awhile since I cracked open one of my bibles). Such arrangements could've had (theoretically) a better chance of enduring because the pressure isn't on just one individual to make the other happy (at least, in the physical-relations front, which can be a point of friction in many relationships if the drives are not equal). In such arrangements, if one wife had a 'headache' and didn't feel like makin' whoopie on any given night, there would be someone else available amongst the group who might be more inclined to do so.

Nowadays, marriage is generally between just two individuals, which might be one reason why marriages based on the monogamy-model go flat after awhile.

Edit: All the above is to say that maybe swingers are on to something, and the way OT marriages were done is a clue.

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]Disclaimer: This is all assuming that sexual relations are seen by the couple in question as absolutely critical in a marriage. If the people involved are asexual, then the absence of sex isn't going to cause the marriage to come tumbling down. [/FONT]
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CounselorForChrist · Sep 27, 2013

Kind of a silly question really. ONe can't be christian and swing. Thats like saying married but single. Or you like pizza but hate sauce, dough and cheese.

Shemjaza · Sep 27, 2013

xfreakazoidx said:
Kind of a silly question really. ONe can't be christian and swing. Thats like saying married but single. Or you like pizza but hate sauce, dough and cheese.

I'm willing to accept that in most Christian variations both swinging and any form of polyamory are right out... but doing something wrong doesn't usually kick you out of the club, does it?

dies-l · Sep 27, 2013

Shemjaza said:
I'm willing to accept that in most Christian variations both swinging and any form of polyamory are right out... but doing something wrong doesn't usually kick you out of the club, does it?

Doing something wrong? No. But, a lifestyle that is built around brazenly disregarding a central aspect of biblical morality is pretty solid evidence that one doesn't really want to be "part of the club".

wintermile · Sep 27, 2013

Serendipity.. said:
Thats the thing, they might end up being faithful believers later that are led astray by wrong teachings and sexual desires of youth for a while. They can think about it paying for child maintenance and divorces afterwards.

And Yeshua receives the glory. Yeshua knows His sheep.

A proper christian reponse is to contact the owner in order to hold him/her accountable.

Another response is to pray.

madaz · Sep 27, 2013

dies-l said:
Doing something wrong? No. But, a lifestyle that is built around brazenly disregarding a central aspect of biblical morality is pretty solid evidence that one doesn't really want to be "part of the club".

Are you suggesting the phineas priesthood, aryan nations, army of god, the covenant, the ku klux klan, the nlft, the iron guard, the lra, the ira, christian identity, hutaree, christian patriots and various other christian terrorist groups "dont really want to be" part of the club?
I can assure you these groups wouldn't claim to be christian if they didn't want to be part of it.

ebia · Sep 27, 2013

madaz said:
An immoral act produces a victim, that is a reason why it is immoral. Are you suggesting god is being victimized here?

Well, that's one way of thinking about ethics, but it's not the only one.

ebia · Sep 27, 2013

dies-l said:
Doing something wrong? No. But, a lifestyle that is built around brazenly disregarding a central aspect of biblical morality is pretty solid evidence that one doesn't really want to be "part of the club".

Are we still talking about the OP, or everyone in the western world?

1Feather · Sep 27, 2013

madaz said:
Is it morally acceptable for Christians to engage in "swinging"?

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Christian swingers
Oxymoron.

madaz · Sep 27, 2013

ebia said:
Well, that's one way of thinking about ethics, but it's not the only one.

I never stated it was the ONLY one.

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