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AmandaT said:Just because you don't like their stuff, it doesn't mean that no one else does or should like them.
Just curious, who do you listen to?
FaithAlone said:Yeah, if all of those people need to quit who should we be listening to? I haven't heard anything really worthy of my time lately.
FaithAlone said:Pedro the Lion-I like a few songs but he has some questionable lyrics in my opinion
Further Seems Forever-good band but they still love to avoid actually saying the name God or Jesus
UnderOath-the only screaming band that I like. I might be seeing them this weekend
Dead Poetic-I'll give it a listen
As Cities Burn-ditto
Unearth-ditto
Jimmy Eat World-are we talking Christian here? I like them but I never considered them Christian
Pixies-what? They are so not Christian. By the way where is my mind?
U2-I've heard way too much of them lately
Franz Ferdinand-I'll give him(?) a listen
The Walkmen-ditto
As I Lay Dying-they have something creative going on if you can stand listening to them
Jeremy Enigk/Sunny Day Real Estate/The Fire Theft-I'll try it
Brandtson-I'll try it
Beautiful Mistake-great lyrics but the guys voice is too whiny for me to bear
Copeland-I'll try it
Do you ever branch out from what's popularly unpopular right now? I really love some of that music, but I just hate it when bands will do everything possible not to actually say God or Jesus. It's like they want for people to be able to take their songs both ways.
MoreInSorrow said:Not sure I understand what you mean by 'branching out from what's popularly unpopular right now', but I'd be happy to answer if you could explain further what you mean.
I was not talking only about Christian artists. I was all-encompassing what I'd consider to be just plain 'ole good music.
Since you brought it up, why do people (in this case, you) feel it is necessary for bands to always mention the name of Jesus simply because they make music? What about them writing songs necessitates that they HAVE to mention Jesus or God in their lyrics? I've never understood that. Out of that list, Copeland, Beautiful Mistake, Brandtson, Jeremy Enigk, As I Lay Dying, As Cities Burn, Dead Poetic, UnderOath, FurtherSeemsForever, and Pedro all either confess Christianity as a band, or some of the individual members do. Sometimes their faith comes up in their lyrics without them actually saying Jesus name. What's the big deal? As I Lay Dying has some of the most wonderfully uplifting, spiritual lyrics I've ever heard, and yet Tim Lambesis doesn't mention Jesus' name once. Does that make AILD a less credible "Christian" band? I don't think so. As for Pedro, I agree with you a bit. I wince a little on "Foregone Conclusion" every time I hear it. But if you can get past that song, David Bazaan has some wonderful, insightful lyrics.
I guess I just don't get the hangup on why bands have to have Jesus name plastered all over their lyrics if they claim to be Christians. Is doing so going to make them more relevant to the world they may or may not be trying to reach?
I'm not ranting, and not posting in anger whatsoever. I honestly would like to hear some discussion from the 'other side of the fence' on this issue.
Not sure I understand what you mean by 'branching out from what's popularly unpopular right now', but I'd be happy to answer if you could explain further what you mean.
I was not talking only about Christian artists. I was all-encompassing what I'd consider to be just plain 'ole good music.
Since you brought it up, why do people (in this case, you) feel it is necessary for bands to always mention the name of Jesus simply because they make music? What about them writing songs necessitates that they HAVE to mention Jesus or God in their lyrics? I've never understood that. Out of that list, Copeland, Beautiful Mistake, Brandtson, Jeremy Enigk, As I Lay Dying, As Cities Burn, Dead Poetic, UnderOath, FurtherSeemsForever, and Pedro all either confess Christianity as a band, or some of the individual members do. Sometimes their faith comes up in their lyrics without them actually saying Jesus name. What's the big deal? As I Lay Dying has some of the most wonderfully uplifting, spiritual lyrics I've ever heard, and yet Tim Lambesis doesn't mention Jesus' name once. Does that make AILD a less credible "Christian" band? I don't think so. As for Pedro, I agree with you a bit. I wince a little on "Foregone Conclusion" every time I hear it. But if you can get past that song, David Bazaan has some wonderful, insightful lyrics.
I guess I just don't get the hangup on why bands have to have Jesus name plastered all over their lyrics if they claim to be Christians. Is doing so going to make them more relevant to the world they may or may not be trying to reach?
I'm not ranting, and not posting in anger whatsoever. I honestly would like to hear some discussion from the 'other side of the fence' on this issue.
It's impossible to 'make sure that the meaning of the song isn't completely misconstrued', because everyone's going to draw their own conclusions about the meaning of the song anyway. And it's not the writer's responsibility to make sure everyone feels the same way he/she did in the meaning of that song. It's totally subjective to the listener.AmandaT said:To respond to your post MoreInSorrow...
The way I look at is why shouldn't they say Jesus' name in their songs? As Christians we should do everything we do (including writing songs and performing them) to glorify God. Some "Christian artists" these days seem to be almost ashamed to say the name of Jesus in a song. It's like they are just hoping to break into the secular scene and so when their lyrics never say Jesus their new fans assume that "you" is some girl rather than our savior, and that a song is about some relationship with that girl. I'm not saying that the bands you listed are like that, but what I'm thinking now is "Why do we say the name Jesus less in songs now?" People say that song writers are getting "more poetic", but in so many cases it gets to the point of being so poetic that no one is even sure of who or what the singer is really talking about anymore. The meaning of the song is just lost because no one gets the lyrics.
On the other side of things though I don't feel like there is a definite need for every other word of every song on an album to be Jesus. There is nothing wrong with extremely poetic lyrics. I think they are awesome. But somehow the writer needs to make sure that the meaning of the song isn't completely misconstrued. I mean, what's the point of considering yourself a Christian artist if no one can tell you are from your lyrics? One way artists keep people from taking the meaning of a song wrong is by saying Jesus in the song.
I hope that made sense...
FaithAlone said:I just meant that all of those bands are super popular to people who try really hard to act like they don't care : ) I'm not saying that has to be the case but it's like it's really popular now to like music that you think other people will hate.
I don't see anything wrong with a band that writes songs that don't say Jesus' name all over them. In fact some of their songs don't even have to be about Christianity or spiritual things at all. It only starts to bother me when secular artists start saying more good things about Christ than the Chrsitian ones. If you're a Christian band it would seem like in at least a song or two you would want to share your faith. It only bothers me when I hear absolutely nothing about Christ in any song and when unsaved people can listen to every song and believe the love they talk about is for a boyfriend or girlfriend. That's my only problem.
Have you ever heard Waterdeep or Derek Webb? They are just a couple of very unmainstream artists but have amazing lyrics and music that appeal to people who don't like CCM.
I'm really going to check those bands that you listed out though. I'll let you know what I think.
MoreInSorrow said:It's impossible to 'make sure that the meaning of the song isn't completely misconstrued', because everyone's going to draw their own conclusions about the meaning of the song anyway. And it's not the writer's responsibility to make sure everyone feels the same way he/she did in the meaning of that song. It's totally subjective to the listener.
Do you go around walking down the street telling people about Jesus? Do you tell the checkout girl at the register in the grocery store she needs to be saved? Do you walk up to total strangers telling them of their need for salvation? If not, WHY NOT? Isn't that the same thing you're asking musicians, bands, and artists to do?
I know you're not condemning me, I'm not taking it that way. And my previous post wasn't intended to sound snippy, if it did. But I would also argue that just because they are not mentioning Jesus in their lyrics does not mean they aren't sharing Christ with people. That's presumptuous at best, as would be saying that they are trying to disguise their faith. Just because it appears they are doing so to you, doesn't necessarily make it so.FaithAlone said:Yes, I do whenever possible. That's what we're called to do as Christians. We aren't supposed to just hope that people guess that we're believers in Christ and then let them come to us. We are supposed to be fishers of men. We should live lives of worship. We don't have to be at church to do that. I think that there is a really good place for all of the music that you listed. I just don't understand how a Christian could even help not talking about Christ. I'm not condemning you, I just don't understand why a Christian would want to disguise their faith. I know that unbelievers listen to them but when will they let them in on their little secret that they need a Savior?
"Do you know where you're going to spend eternity if you die tonight?" That's a scare tactic at best.
I think we should rather live by this adage:
"Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary, use words."
AmandaT said:Who's to say that they aren't producing good music anymore? And who's to say that a newer band is better than one of the older ones? That would just be your opinion. If a newer band continually seeks after God's will for their career, then someday they will be more popular. You have to realize that every band that is all over the radio now started out the exact same way that the newer groups are right now. They don't need to just get out of the way "to make room" for the bands you currently like.
blue_eyes36 said:What about secular muscians whove been around for more than 3 decades, like cher, tina turner,& rolling stonens ect.........dosent the same thing apply??if if its thier passion and God is still opening doors and giving them songs and they still have fans why would they & should they stop, ???? oystop harping on who you dont like cus whether you like them or not SOMEBODY will....!!!!
Amy
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