Che guevara

ACougar · Jul 14, 2004

No Government has the right to opperate without the consent of the governed. When the people remove thier consent, the government becomes illegit. If the government refuses to step down or change then revolution becomes an absolute necessity. Long live the Revolution!

Lifesaver said:
Oh yes, Cuba was in a bad shape already. That did not justify the revolution, though.

Lifesaver · Jul 14, 2004

Koba The Dread said:
Threaten to invade neighbouring countries? Are you serious.

Have you never heard their threats to "enter Brazil" (which they already do in little incursions, as do narcotraficant planes)?
Better keep yourself informed.

I would also like to know how comrade Fidel Castro is a murderous tyrant.

50 years with the same leader; people forbiddened to leave the country; no freedom of press or free speech- tyrant.
paredón; political persecutions; torture- murderous.

As a Marxist-Leninist, I support the FARC's cause which is the overthrow of the Colombian capitalist class and the establishment of a socialist state, wholeheartedly.

Yes, you do, tragically.

Lifesaver · Jul 14, 2004

ACougar said:
No Government has the right to opperate without the consent of the governed. When the people remove thier consent, the government becomes illegit. If the government refuses to step down or change then revolution becomes an absolute necessity. Long live the Revolution!

You seem to have some very twisted notions...

Are you claiming that if 50%+1 of the population do not consent with the government, it is legitimate to make a revolution?

ACougar · Jul 15, 2004

Lifesaver said:
You seem to have some very twisted notions...

Are you claiming that if 50%+1 of the population do not consent with the government, it is legitimate to make a revolution?

Were not taling disagreement on a single issue were talking wholescale oppression... and on that note when government opperates with the consent of less than 50% of the population then it has no right to power.

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

So if 50%+1 of the population don't want democracy anymore, but an Ayatolah, it is their right?
Please.

ACougar · Jul 15, 2004

If over half the people want an Ayatolah they can elect one, if they are unable to elect an Ayatolah because it's not allowed then obviously thier "Democracy" is a farce. At the same time you need to realize that wanting something and not being willing to consent to it's alternative are not the same thing.

Lifesaver said:
So if 50%+1 of the population don't want democracy anymore, but an Ayatolah, it is their right?

Please.

El Guapo · Jul 15, 2004

ACougar said:
If over half the people want an Ayatolah they can elect one, if they are unable to elect an Ayatolah because it's not allowed then obviously thier "Democracy" is a farce.

I think it depends on what he means by the people wanting an Ayatollah. If by that he means a religious fanatic that still operates under the present structure of government then sure, but if it's an actual Ayatollah-wannabe wanting to replace whatever government structure is in existence w/ a theocracy based on his own brand of religion then I think surely more than 50%+1 must consent. After all, in the US it requires quite a bit of political work to get the Constitution amended and that aint even close to ushering in a whole new system of government.

Speaking of which, though. I am curious as to how you all look upon the cancelled election that took place in Algeria oh... a decade ago where it looked like the Islamic fundamentalists were gonna win. Was the ruling, secular government right in canceling the elections or should they have done something else such as let rise to power an organization that openly admitted it's goal was to replace the current system of government w/ one of it's own devise.

Real Corona · Jul 15, 2004

That always makes me laugh. The Islamists in Algeria even promised before the election that there wouldn't be another election if they won.

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

ACougar said:
If over half the people want an Ayatolah they can elect one, if they are unable to elect an Ayatolah because it's not allowed then obviously thier "Democracy" is a farce.

So, if 50%+1 wants to put an end to democracy and put the Ayatollah in place, ACougar thinks it's fine.
AC, it is your ideal of democracy which is a farce.

Real Corona · Jul 16, 2004

What's the difference between an Ayatollah with a consitutional rule system and a President who claims to talk to god and be on a "crusade".

Lifesaver · Jul 16, 2004

I'm speaking about ditching democracy, and instituting Islamic theocratic law.
Some people think that it is the right thing to do if 50%+1 of the population wants it.

It's no surprise these people would support the Cuban revolution, which murdered many. It's a surprise that people who have some regard for actual democracy defend it, though.
Evidence of how much marxism has impregnated in our culture.

ACougar · Jul 17, 2004

Were talking apples and oranges here. First, if over half the population is incapable of bringing about change in a democracy it isn't really a Democracy. Second, you don't have to agree with a government in order to consent to it's rule. Were talking about a situation where the government is being utilized by a minority to oppress a majority and the majority áre unable to bring about peaceful change. Such a situation demands a revolution.

Remember the slogan: "No taxation without representation!" The people of Cuba were not being over taxed however, they were being driven into serfdom by U.S. Fruit, other coorperations and a corrupt government.

Lifesaver said:
I'm speaking about ditching democracy, and instituting Islamic theocratic law.
Some people think that it is the right thing to do if 50%+1 of the population wants it.

It's no surprise these people would support the Cuban revolution, which murdered many. It's a surprise that people who have some regard for actual democracy defend it, though.
Evidence of how much marxism has impregnated in our culture.

Lifesaver · Jul 17, 2004

Serfdom? They were poor, that's all.

Things got even worse after the revolution.

Nowadays, people flee the island swimming. Nothing else needs to be said.

Koba The Dread · Jul 24, 2004

If any of you would like to know more or ask some questions about Comrade Che Guevara, come over to http://www.ernesto-guevara.com/forums I am an admin over there, 'Vladimir'. I must ask you not to spam or flame anybody although I don't think it's necessary as your behaviour is usually very good.

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