Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.

iluvatar5150 · Wednesday at 7:52 AM

I should've done this earlier, but now I'm looking at the lineup of the full service:

Where should I start looking for the unity? Half of the event, both in terms of quantity of speakers and total run-time were figures from the Trump family and administrations. Should I start with JD Vance, who unapologetically spread lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets? Or with Pete Hegseth, who's been pretty open about how women should take more of a back seat in society? RFK Jr, whose main schtick is pushing medical conspiracies? Or just jump straight to the man Don Sr, who's repeatedly threatened the press and called them enemies of the state?

But maybe I'm picking too much on the administration side of things. Maybe I should look for this unifying and uplifting language from the speeches given by the author of "Unhumans," Jack Posobiec and noted purveyor of Stop the Steal lies, Tucker Carlson.

Help me out here guys, where should I start?

Servus · Wednesday at 8:09 AM

Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.

In rolls a slew of sarcastic, derogatory, disparaging remarks.

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 8:13 AM

FireDragon76 said:
I must have missed that bit.

You obviously didnt watch the video. By the way, 'weird' was last years liberal buzz word.

Tropical Wilds · Wednesday at 8:17 AM

Servus said:
Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.

In rolls a slew of sarcastic, derogatory, disparaging remarks.

Sarcastic, sure. That was me, but I am a pessimistic person. Derogatory, disparaging? Nobody has done that as far as I can see.

The victimhood shopping is getting a bit old. People are allowed to have opinions about the event and how it seemed odd.

Servus · Wednesday at 8:48 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
You obviously didnt watch the video. By the way, 'weird' was last years liberal buzz word.

Oh yeah I remember that lol.

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 9:06 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
I should've done this earlier, but now I'm looking at the lineup of the full service:

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Where should I start looking for the unity? Half of the event, both in terms of quantity of speakers and total run-time were figures from the Trump family and administrations. Should I start with JD Vance, who unapologetically spread lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets? Or with Pete Hegseth, who's been pretty open about how women should take more of a back seat in society? RFK Jr, whose main schtick is pushing medical conspiracies? Or just jump straight to the man Don Sr, who's repeatedly threatened the press and called them enemies of the state?

But maybe I'm picking too much on the administration side of things. Maybe I should look for this unifying and uplifting language from the speeches given by the author of "Unhumans," Jack Posobiec and noted purveyor of Stop the Steal lies, Tucker Carlson.

Help me out here guys, where should I start?

You can start by clicking on the video and pushing the play button.

Tropical Wilds · Wednesday at 9:08 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
You can start by clicking on the video and pushing the play button.

You can just say "I don't know," you know. It's ok.

iluvatar5150 · Wednesday at 9:09 AM

Servus said:
Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.

In rolls a slew of sarcastic, derogatory, disparaging remarks.

Then talk about it. Earlier, you said, "I think that overall, the memorial service did a very good job bringing much needed unity." I've asked a couple times now where this unity was supposedly generated. So far, you've only mentioned the pastor and the music, but there were at least 24 other speakers on that dais, many of whom have long histories of being deliberately divisive.

So, what did I miss by only watching Stephen Miller and, since then, the pastor? Was there a call to unity from one of the TPUSA staffers? Or perhaps from somebody in the Trump camp? If you want to point to something, I'll check it out.

Regarding the number of people who answered the altar call (not that this really matters), I suppose we could've been watching different feeds, but the one I linked to earlier didn't cut to a wide shot at all during that section - they stayed tight on the pastor, and this other feed from the AP cuts so wide that you can't really make out anything. They only had respondents stand up in their seats, which makes them stand out less.

iluvatar5150 · Wednesday at 9:10 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
You can start by clicking on the video and pushing the play button.

If you watched it and comprehended its message, you ought to be able to give me something a little more specific than that. Aside from the pastor I've already mentioned, who stood out to you?

Tropical Wilds · Wednesday at 9:16 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
Then talk about it. Earlier, you said, "I think that overall, the memorial service did a very good job bringing much needed unity." I've asked a couple times now where this unity was supposedly generated. So far, you've only mentioned the pastor and the music, but there were at least 24 other speakers on that dais, many of whom have long histories of being deliberately divisive.

So, what did I miss by only watching Stephen Miller and, since then, the pastor? Was there a call to unity from one of the TPUSA staffers? Or perhaps from somebody in the Trump camp? If you want to point to something, I'll check it out.

Regarding the number of people who answered the altar call (not that this really matters), I suppose we could've been watching different feeds, but the one I linked to earlier didn't cut to a wide shot at all during that section - they stayed tight on the pastor, and this other feed from the AP cuts so wide that you can't really make out anything. They only had respondents stand up in their seats, which makes them stand out less.

I will say, you should listen to Trump's speech. Not because it was inspirational, but because it was informative. It gives a rare insight into him and how he thinks in a way his political speeches don't. Not that this wasn't a political speech in it's own right, but... I don't know. It's hard to articulate. I felt it gave insight into the man we haven't seen since he gave those interviews where he was investigating his own mortality after the assassination attempts. None of the recaps I've seen really hit upon the cadence of what he said beyond the soundbites.

I don't know, I'm listening to Obama's audiobook right now so maybe it's a point/counterpoint thing that's making it stick out more for me than it is others.

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 9:20 AM

FireDragon76 said:
OK, but that sort of proves my wider point. If you want to preach the Gospel, why mix it with a message about how half of American voters are enemies that need to be fought and opposed? And why associate that Gospel message with a man who focused so much on racial grievance politics? It doesn't seem very sincere if you want your message to be heard clearly. In fact it could easily be seen as scandalizing the Gospel for no good reason except partisan political gain.

Or is this about Trump supporters that are Evangelicals failing to realize there are many Christians that didn't vote for Donald Trump, didn't approve of Charlie Kirk, either because they are Black Americans, the minority of white Evangelicals that reject Christian Nationalism, or the many other Protestants and Catholics that simply don't align with that kind of politics, whether in the US or around the world? The Kingdom of God is bigger than being white or being American.

I believe there was only one person who called the left our enemy. I dont agree with it, and I know Charlie Kirk wouldn't agree with it. Just so you know, when Christians talk about our "enemy," we are not talking about people, we are talking about the demonic principalities and powers that manipulate people.

Tropical Wilds · Wednesday at 9:25 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
I believe there was only one person who called the left our enemy.

I mean, that person is our president so that's kind of a big deal.

Oompa Loompa said:
I dont agree with it, and I know Charlie Kirk wouldn't agree with it. Just so you know, when Christians talk about our "enemy," we are not talking about people, we are talking about the demonic principalities and powers that manipulate people.

Yeah, he wasn't talking about principles, he was talking about people.

Servus · Wednesday at 9:30 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
Then talk about it. Earlier, you said, "I think that overall, the memorial service did a very good job bringing much needed unity."

No, I did not. The post you're replying to is the only post I've made in this thread.

iluvatar5150 said:
I've asked a couple times now where this unity was supposedly generated. So far, you've only mentioned the pastor and the music, but there were at least 24 other speakers on that dais, many of whom have long histories of being deliberately divisive.

So, what did I miss by only watching Stephen Miller and, since then, the pastor? Was there a call to unity from one of the TPUSA staffers? Or perhaps from somebody in the Trump camp? If you want to point to something, I'll check it out.

Regarding the number of people who answered the altar call (not that this really matters), I suppose we could've been watching different feeds, but the one I linked to earlier didn't cut to a wide shot at all during that section - they stayed tight on the pastor, and this other feed from the AP cuts so wide that you can't really make out anything. They only had respondents stand up in their seats, which makes them stand out less.

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 9:33 AM

Tropical Wilds said:
I mean, that person is our president so that's kind of a big deal.

Yeah, he wasn't talking about principles, he was talking about people.

When someone shoots you in the ear and another hides in the bushes with a rifle trying to shoot you, you tend to think of your enemies as enemies

iluvatar5150 · Wednesday at 9:36 AM

Servus said:
No, I did not. The post you're replying to is the only post I've made in this thread.

My mistake. I got you and @Oompa Loompa mixed up.

Tropical Wilds · Wednesday at 9:38 AM

BPPLEE said:
When someone shoots you in the ear and another hides in the bushes with a rifle trying to shoot you, you tend to think of your enemies as enemies

One of those guys is dead, the other is in jail. And contextually, he wasn't talking about them, he was talking about the majority of Americans who didn't vote for him and the majority who are unsatisfied with his job performance.

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 10:08 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
If you watched it and comprehended its message, you ought to be able to give me something a little more specific than that. Aside from the pastor I've already mentioned, who stood out to you?

Frank Turek and Marco Rubio had some good messages.

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 10:15 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
Then talk about it. Earlier, you said, "I think that overall, the memorial service did a very good job bringing much needed unity." I've asked a couple times now where this unity was supposedly generated. So far, you've only mentioned the pastor and the music, but there were at least 24 other speakers on that dais, many of whom have long histories of being deliberately divisive.

So, what did I miss by only watching Stephen Miller and, since then, the pastor? Was there a call to unity from one of the TPUSA staffers? Or perhaps from somebody in the Trump camp? If you want to point to something, I'll check it out.

Regarding the number of people who answered the altar call (not that this really matters), I suppose we could've been watching different feeds, but the one I linked to earlier didn't cut to a wide shot at all during that section - they stayed tight on the pastor, and this other feed from the AP cuts so wide that you can't really make out anything. They only had respondents stand up in their seats, which makes them stand out less.

I think the issue is that you are looking for the "kum-bye-yah! Let's all put the past behind us" unity. The unity that we saw was hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world unified over their love of God, country, and humanity. They were unified in their respect and admiration for the life and memory of Charlie Kirk. And guess what? There were no riots, violence, looting, or burning police cars. Just unity to stand strong in the face of evil and wickedness.

iluvatar5150 · Wednesday at 10:17 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
I think the issue is that you are looking for the "kum-bye-yah! Let's all put the past behind us" unity. The unity that we saw was hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world unified over their love of God, country, and humanity. They were unified in their respect and admiration for the life and memory of Charlie Kirk. And guess what? There were no riots, violence, looting, or burning police cars. Just unity to stand strong in the face of evil and wickedness.

That's certainly one potential take, but that's hard to square with your earlier description of the unity as being "much needed". Was there much disunity among the Kirk fanbase prior to this? I wasn't aware that there was.

Yarddog · Wednesday at 10:17 AM

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I know it is a 7 hour video. But it was such a beautiful event that not only honored Charlie Kirk, but God. The worship brought me to tears.

I don't doubt that lots of beauty and worship went on at Kirk's event but darkness was there as well. Satan thrives on lies and hate.

It was incredible to see Kirk's wife forgive the murderer. But, it was horrible and satanic to watch Trump lie and preach hate and see so many who claim to be Christians cheer for the vile which spewed out of his mouth.

It is our calling to love and be kind. I pray for the redemption of all of those that embraced Trump's message.

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