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If you were not trying to be cute you were being stupid. "Was there?" has three relevant answers. Yes, No, or I don't know.sentipente....I have no reason to try and be cute. I am far from that. I answered the questions. Example:
The poster asked the question "was there something magical about the blood", to which I answered "its what the blood represented".
Did I answer the question?
AT
If you were not trying to be cute you were being stupid. "Was there?" has three relevant answers. Yes, No, or I don't know.
Boy you are bitter! This is the same anger you displayed at others in the old forum. You should try and get a grip on your emotions. If I rub you wrong, then why address me at all...after all I said nothing to you, it was you who addressed (attacked) me. But if it floats your boat, go ahead and continue....as I said before you can kick me and punch me all you like, if it helps you to get over your bitterness. If my lifting up the bible hurts you that much, if my teaching the truth about the atonement hurts you that much, if my teaching the truth about salvation hurts you so much, if the fact that Christ was a substitute for the sins of the world hurts you that much, then I suggest
It could mean that the blood represents something magical. There is nothing clear about the answer, but if you insist there is I know what kind of intelligence I am working with. Thanks. We can either have discourse or shoot the breeze.If he asked was there something magical about the blood, and I reply "its what the blood represents," then it is implied in that answer, there is nothing magical about the blood it self. Why is that so difficult for you?
so that is your answer to everything, everyone is bitter and angry, except of course you who can't even answer a question with a slightly relevant answer.
I have no interest in debating any topic with you until you realize the absurdity of your behavior.
It is not because you have the Bible to support you and I don't, because you don't, you certainly don't have anything close to a logical argument as we have seen.
All you can do is attack other people when they call you on your absurd statements. Yet somehow you think that makes you the one with truth on your side.
I reject the idea that in the Progressive Adventist forum I should have put you on "ignore" because you continually attack and rave about how the forum attacks you and is bitter toward you.
As if the raving of someone who only is here because he claims to have been a former Adventist gives you the right to lie and obfuscate and continually rain down personal attacks upon the other members of this forum.
Let's be honest here. If you were not you would not have made the accusation when you made it. There was nothing in his post that remotely resembled hatred or bitterness. You tried very hard to introduce them into the discussion.No...only you. No one else is bitter and angry with me...only you. But its ok that you act as if you hate me and are bitter towards me. I will be your punching bag if it helps you...I aint mad at-cha...
Let's be honest here. If you were not you would not have made the accusation when you made it.
There was nothing in his post that remotely resembled hatred or bitterness.
You tried very hard to introduce them into the discussion.
Ok fine...for your sake, I see the absurdity of my behavior.
AT
Right, I really believe you realize your absurdities when put like that. Apparently you think others are never quite bright enough to see through you.
No I am never going to discuss anything with you again, this is the end.
I of course will still point out your absurdities.
But not in a discussion type way, as clearly you aren't capable.
By the way if you wanted to read a response to those texts you posted. Read my article on "what is wrong with the substitutionary view of the Atonement".
But just as with the quote from the Expositor's Bible Commentary I gave on Romans 2 you simply ignore information, because you are not here to discuss as we have already pointed out.
I have read them and they are nothing but a false gospel, not worth any bodies time responding to. They appear to be a repeat of Maxwells theology...and this is your normal way of debating scripture...with articles and commentary. I dought if you even wrote that article. And you wonder why no one agrees with you.
More words of wisdom I see, I am actually pretty sure AT has not read the article because there is actually a section that goes against Maxwell's views. But a person has to know what Maxwell's views are to really see it and I doubt that AT knows Maxwell's view anyway. By the way I did write the article and many others and it is just another falsehood of AT that no one agrees with me. But it does show just how limited AT is in his understanding, He uses no logic or reason, no regard for context even in the Bible texts he uses. It is just based upon his declarations. If something is not what he believes it is a false gospel, or if he does not like an article it could not be written by the person who wrote it, why because he doubts ("dought" is apparently one of those words where we have to read between the lines to discover what the definition is) it.
He is not here to discuss, not here to think, why is he here at all is the recurring question to my mind.
Is that a debate on all of scripture or only on the small subset that you accept as scripture?What ever you say...your words mean nothing, until you can put forth a debate from scripture instead of some ones elses work for your defense....you mean nothing, you got that? Nothing!
AT
What ever you say...your words mean nothing, until you can put forth a debate from scripture instead of some ones elses work for your defense....you mean nothing, you got that? Nothing!
AT
I have been thinking for a while that this forum has lost it's purpose. We tried to encompass too much. I wanted to keep it open to former Adventists such as Tall and Sophia and some others. Well they seem to be gone anyway so maybe it is time to change the forum to Progressive Adventists. I am kind of tired of the former Adventists here people who are basically calvinists though they deny it yet they deny free will. So maybe it is time we really become a Progressive Adventist forum, where we communicate with Progressive Adventists rather then have to argue with the fundamentalists who used to be Adventists, fundamentalist who traded one form of fundamentalism for another.
Frankly the presuppositions between Progressive Adventists are so different from Fundamentalism that there is little in common anymore. Maybe we need to create a more uniform group of Adventists here. We don't need to agree on everything but I think a personal acknowledgement that the members self identify as Progressive Adventists. There actually are a lot of them around but we don't have any sort of organization or way to communicate effectively. Maybe this would be the place to start.
What do you think?
First off, not all "Formers" have left the building. Granted, this one has been in absentia for a spell, but it got tired of reading all the Trad spam and rehash here (whether posted by Trads or not, the threads for awhile seemed to focus almost exclusively upon either trolling for Tradventism or rehashing old debates this one personally either never had an interest in or else having long ago settled has no need to revisit nor sufficient interest to walk anyone else through the lightseeking process therein. (Not a snooty indictment here just an acknowledgment that what engages one person may not engage another.)
Second: for the record, SO not a Calvinist here. A Monergist, most definitely, but Moriah has as little use for the notion of arbitrary election/damnation as it has for the pathetic notion that an unregenerate sinner can cooperate, in the reclamation provided him by Christ, by the exercise of a will bent wholly, prior to his new birth, toward sin.
It has taken a long time and been many years in coming, this complete break away from a pseudo-Christian cult which teaches that ultimately "everything depends upon the right action of the [human] will" and which, being diligent to haunt and obsess with that notion yet mysteriously incapable of teaching precisely HOW to either locate or operate said mechanism, had inadvertently suggested Thelema might supply the missing key. After 23 years in captivity, in 2006, with the helpful input of other gifted believers (here on CF no less), Moriah at last discovered the true nature of the greatest stronghold Satan had established in taking her hostage and holding her in captivity. It had not been sexual congressus cum daemonae, nor anything occultic in nature at all, but the very toxic soteriology willingly imbibed in the House of the Seven itself: no less than a deception so colossal and so cruelly and cunningly devised that indeed, if it were possible, it could deceive the very elect -- for only such a deception could possibly appeal to a devout, sincere believer earnestly despising his sin and hungering for righteousness, holiness, obedience to God, and spiritual purity.
At that time, Moriah bes no longer being blown about to and fro by the fear and terror bred BY that same house of religious bondage, wherein she had been terrified of incurring a worse condemnation than even blatant Satan worship itself could earn, should she indeed follow her heart AND the Holy Spirit in "turning aside from the truth" entirely. Instead, having discovered this secret and become at last cognizant thereof, at long last the grip of terror lost its hold. AT LONG LAST Moriah finally bore witness to God tearing down this stronghold, shredding it, and throwing its pieces to the wind, in one single experience of genuine, true, authentic infilling of the Holy Spirit, wherein the Word of God sprang to life in its entirety inside her and the reality of Galatians 5:16 shone like a million suns at midday to dispel the darkness of all performance-based, volition-dependent, works-focused salvific formulae forever. Not the end of the war quite yet, but most definitely the pivotal key battle thereof, wherein the victory thereof essentially determines the outcome of the rest so soundly that the rest of the war can appear almost gratuitously obligatory and ceremonial by comparison.
Third, as Victor pointed out on page one, the House of Transition would be transitory by nature. Your effort to build a stone temple here, or at least provide a concrete fixed foundation beyond that of Jesus Christ Himself, would be frustrated by the nomadic nature of the journey and the tentlike attributes of transition itself.
More thoughts may come to mind as it reads this thread .... or not.
Thank you Senti. God bes good. He prevails most excellently not only through the storms (which none of us can avoid) but through the thorns also; Moriah has recurring hope for their eventual removal (mass eviction, LOL).Welcome back, Moriah. Good to see you.
Thank you Avonia! Well met. What a gorgeous avatar you wear.Moriah, what an interesting post! Will be out of internet range for a short bit, but look forward to reading more from you.
Praise God, Moriah! The arm of flesh will fail you, ye dare not trust your own. I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus' name.First off, not all "Formers" have left the building. Granted, this one has been in absentia for a spell, but it got tired of reading all the Trad spam and rehash here (whether posted by Trads or not, the threads for awhile seemed to focus almost exclusively upon either trolling for Tradventism or rehashing old debates this one personally either never had an interest in or else having long ago settled has no need to revisit nor sufficient interest to walk anyone else through the lightseeking process therein. (Not a snooty indictment here just an acknowledgment that what engages one person may not engage another.)
Second: for the record, SO not a Calvinist here. A Monergist, most definitely, but Moriah has as little use for the notion of arbitrary election/damnation as it has for the pathetic notion that an unregenerate sinner can cooperate, in the reclamation provided him by Christ, by the exercise of a will bent wholly, prior to his new birth, toward sin.
It has taken a long time and been many years in coming, this complete break away from a pseudo-Christian cult which teaches that ultimately "everything depends upon the right action of the [human] will" and which, being diligent to haunt and obsess with that notion yet mysteriously incapable of teaching precisely HOW to either locate or operate said mechanism, had inadvertently suggested Thelema might supply the missing key. After 23 years in captivity, in 2006, with the helpful input of other gifted believers (here on CF no less), Moriah at last discovered the true nature of the greatest stronghold Satan had established in taking her hostage and holding her in captivity. It had not been sexual congressus cum daemonae, nor anything occultic in nature at all, but the very toxic soteriology willingly imbibed in the House of the Seven itself: no less than a deception so colossal and so cruelly and cunningly devised that indeed, if it were possible, it could deceive the very elect -- for only such a deception could possibly appeal to a devout, sincere believer earnestly despising his sin and hungering for righteousness, holiness, obedience to God, and spiritual purity.
At that time, Moriah bes no longer being blown about to and fro by the fear and terror bred BY that same house of religious bondage, wherein she had been terrified of incurring a worse condemnation than even blatant Satan worship itself could earn, should she indeed follow her heart AND the Holy Spirit in "turning aside from the truth" entirely. Instead, having discovered this secret and become at last cognizant thereof, at long last the grip of terror lost its hold. AT LONG LAST Moriah finally bore witness to God tearing down this stronghold, shredding it, and throwing its pieces to the wind, in one single experience of genuine, true, authentic infilling of the Holy Spirit, wherein the Word of God sprang to life in its entirety inside her and the reality of Galatians 5:16 shone like a million suns at midday to dispel the darkness of all performance-based, volition-dependent, works-focused salvific formulae forever. Not the end of the war quite yet, but most definitely the pivotal key battle thereof, wherein the victory thereof essentially determines the outcome of the rest so soundly that the rest of the war can appear almost gratuitously obligatory and ceremonial by comparison.
Third, as Victor pointed out on page one, the House of Transition would be transitory by nature. Your effort to build a stone temple here, or at least provide a concrete fixed foundation beyond that of Jesus Christ Himself, would be frustrated by the nomadic nature of the journey and the tentlike attributes of transition itself.
More thoughts may come to mind as it reads this thread .... or not.
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