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Chalcedonians and Orientals: The Same?

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I am not posting this to create a stir, but because I sincerely want to know how the Coptics would respond to this article from Orthodox Information Center, and to give the Coptics an opportunity to clarify their views further.

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/mono_share.aspx
 

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The Council of Chalcedon set the standard for Orthodox Christology. We will not share the same faith until we both hold fast to the Confession of Chalcedon. May God have mercy on us poor sinners.

 
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This article might sound a bit harsh, but there's reason to be upset concerning the ecumenicism that has occurred between non-Chalcedonians and certain representatives of Orthodoxy:
http://ecumenizm.tripod.com/ECUMENIZM/id27.html

I hope that, someday, there will be reunion, with both sides accepting the Chalcedonian Confession as equals.
 
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Ive read some of these ecumenical dialogues under the WCC and they are scary. Many ecumenists should be excommunicated. In fact a priest i know from the OCA, who stands up to the ecumenists of his jurisdiction, have personally admitted to him that they hold to the branch theory as the WCC requires of them.

The article above is interesting because in another forum just a few days ago, i condemned the use of the term "post-chalcedonians" and pointed out heretical aspects of the same document signed by the Orthodox ecumenists and the Oriental ecumenists mentioned in the link above.

I also questioned this joint commision's statement that the hypostasis of the Logos (Second person of the Trinity) became a composite being after the union. (Another words God the Son was "altered" thru mixture.) (see monachos.net for my responses)
The ecumenists on both sides tried to downplay this resolution of the "joint commission". Since the other resolutions seem to contradict it.

scroll down to resolution#3:

Orthodox Unity - Second Agreed Statement

I also questioned what is meant by "in thought alone", and rejected the concept as does the link above.
 
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I desperately want reunion as soon as possible, especially since we share common enemies - Islam, secularism, SATAN, etc. Hopefully this reunion will take place without compromising who we are. May God have mercy on us all.
I would prefer these dialogues were three-way. EO,OO and Assyrians. If one looks at the prayers and liturgy of the nestorian they too look extremely orthodox. This will also reveal whats in every ones heart. Can the non-chalcedon warm up to the assyrians? The nestorians have the same argument; that they have always been orthodox but alexandrian politics drove Nestorius out. Subtle terminology which leads to minor variations is what seperates us all.
If anathamas are to be lifted they should be lifted for all. Besides the 3rd-6th councils are all connected, there about Christ's human and divine natures as relating to his person.
To see this, look at the christological confession of the nestorians in 486 a.d.: (nothing unorthodox about it)

First article listed:

CHRISTOLOGICAL STATE
 
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I would like so too. The hard part is actually trying to understand what Nestorius meant. He is one of the most inconsistent theologians I've ever read and he's a drag as well.

The idea of "in thought alone" is a Cyrillian idea. I'm surprised as to why people question that phrase. It is Chalcedonian as it is non-Chalcedonian. It describes the properties of the natures when thought separately, but in reality they work together. "In thought alone," the divinity is where miracles come from, and humanity is where the insults are given, but "in reality," God incarnate is the one who was crucified and at the same time did miraculous deeds. "In thought alone" is another fence against Nestorianism.

God bless.
 
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I'm big on the dialogue with the Orientals as well to move towards Communion. "Oriental" and "Eastern" mean the same thing.

Protestants are schismatics off of schismatics, the Romans. And even the Tridentine bears little to no semblance to Orthodox Christianity. So I'm not so big on dialogue with Rome, and none with Protestants (in terms of going into Communion with them).
 
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With 1500 years of separation, unity takes patience. We should not speed up on unity. ROCOR/MP unity I believe was too hasty, and many in ROCOR have left ROCOR. How much more do we need for the Chalcedonian/non-Chalcedonian situation!
 
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