Can One Sin Send a Child to Hell Forever

I am reminded of a thought St Origen had, how could a all loving God not provide a way for all to be eventually saved? Where is the victory over evil if even one is lost? This was some thing he pondered and wondered, never did he teach or suggest Universalism despite being credited for that.

I think it's a valid question most Christians don't feel comfortable addressing. But Origen wondered out loud what we all wonder to ourselves!

I am not convinced there is eternal punishment.

And even if we believe in eternal punishment, why are we all not praying for God's mercy for every one? Even the Apostle Paul offered to give up his salvation for others.

holyrokker said:

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death
Galatians 6:7-8 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption

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You are responding to your statement:

God doesn't "send" people to hell for committing "a sin". Neither does He "send" people to hell for "rejecting" Jesus.

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Are you saying that John 1:12 is not telling the truth?

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God (ESV).

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To receive Christ is the only way to become children of God and to gain entrance into God's Kingdom. Those who reject Him will not receive eternal life. How do we know? The Bible tells us so:

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God' (I John 5:1 ESV).

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If we reject Jesus, we do not believe in Him; we do not receive Him, and we cannot become children of God. We cannot inherit eternal life if we reject him.

Oz

IndieVisible said:

I am reminded of a thought St Origen had, how could a all loving God not provide a way for all to be eventually saved? Where is the victory over evil if even one is lost? This was some thing he pondered and wondered, never did he teach or suggest Universalism despite being credited for that.

I think it's a valid question most Christians don't feel comfortable addressing. But Origen wondered out loud what we all wonder to ourselves!

I am not convinced there is eternal punishment.

And even if we believe in eternal punishment, why are we all not praying for God's mercy for every one? Even the Apostle Paul offered to give up his salvation for others.

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Universalism and rejection of eternal punishments are nice takes on humanistic ideology. They do not represent biblical Christianity.

John 1:12 opposes your view, but with your promotion of these views it does not seem that you have a very high view of Scripture and its reliability.

Oz

OzSpen said:

You are responding to your statement:

Are you saying that John 1:12 is not telling the truth?
To receive Christ is the only way to become children of God and to gain entrance into God's Kingdom. Those who reject Him will not receive eternal life. How do we know? The Bible tells us so:
If we reject Jesus, we do not believe in Him; we do not receive Him, and we cannot become children of God. We cannot inherit eternal life if we reject him.

Oz

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John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.

That doesn't say "God sends to hell those who reject him."

What does it mean to "receive Jesus"?

John 1:12 is the only passage that refers to "receiving Jesus" as the means of becoming a child of God. Of course, verse 11 says that He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. referring to the Jewish leaders (a theme throughout the gospel, by the way).

Ephesians 2:8 says For by grace you have been saved through faith. Is this a contradiction of John 1:12?

holyrokker said:

John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.

That doesn't say "God sends to hell those who reject him."

What does it mean to "receive Jesus"?

John 1:12 is the only passage that refers to "receiving Jesus" as the means of becoming a child of God. Of course, verse 11 says that He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. referring to the Jewish leaders (a theme throughout the gospel, by the way).

Ephesians 2:8 says For by grace you have been saved through faith. Is this a contradiction of John 1:12?

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If people don't receive Jesus, they reject him, whether that be through outright rejection or indifference. It is still rejection. If some receive, the remainder reject.

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." (Rev 20:11-12)

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"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death" (Prov. 14:12).

There is nothing that conflicts between John 1:12 and Eph. 2:8. It's the one package.

Oz

Thrillobyte said:

Fundamentalists argue from the POV that the slightest sin is enough to warrant an eternity in hellfire because it was committed against an infinitely Holy God. I don't dispute that God is holy. But think of the billions of children, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim or otherwise, over the course of history who died in childhood after committing one sin subsequent to reaching the age of accountability and not repenting of it or even knowing they were supposed to repent. Will they all suffering unending torment in the fires of hell for that one sin?

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How can I say this....

Yes, they are. God doesn't want even one person to enter Hell. He didn't in the Beginning and He doesn't to this day. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.

But satan has sadly made these children it's possession (I say "it" and not "him" or even "her" because that wicked being is not even deserving of a gender). If one is satan's possession and stays that way, down to Hell you go. Blame that disgusting vile creature satan. Do not blame God.

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How can I say this....

Yes, they are. God doesn't want even one person to enter Hell. He didn't in the Beginning and He doesn't to this day. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.

But satan has sadly made these children it's possession (I say "it" and not "him" or even "her" because that wicked being is not even deserving of a gender). If one is satan's possession and stays that way, down to Hell you go. Blame that disgusting vile creature satan. Do not blame God.(orig posted by brotherluke )





you cannot honestly believe this? regardless of what your view is on what it takes to be saved or not, has nothing to do with the innocence and arrogance of children...there is no comparison to be made....in just the physical sense, notwithstanding the mental, and spiritual maturity....the human brain in a child is not even developed enough to understand making such decisions....God know this...and with the lack of any knowledge, coupled with the inability to make decisions important as what were talking about.....you honestly believe God would be that 'just" as you put it....to send them to hell (death).

you take your biblical interpretations to the extreme, imo...that opinion is not scripturally based, and imo your view shows no faith in the love, mercy, and justice of God....your opinion is based on lies from men, not God.

i would rather burn in hell, as God is my witness now, than to worship a God who sends children to the gas chamber for farting to loud....something isnt right w/your opinion...imho, peace


and you put" God is very good" under your avatar.....and then have the nerve to espouse to this? uy yiy yiy, Lord, please help me.... i dont know how much more of this i can take...


has anyone everheard the joke....."the proof that their is intelligent life out there,(in space), is that we have not been contacted by them yet"....ha ha, aint that the truth!

imo, you need to seek out some good spiritual counseling, and i mean that with all sincerity.

BrotherLuke said:

How can I say this....

Yes, they are. God doesn't want even one person to enter Hell. He didn't in the Beginning and He doesn't to this day. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.

But satan has sadly made these children it's possession (I say "it" and not "him" or even "her" because that wicked being is not even deserving of a gender). If one is satan's possession and stays that way, down to Hell you go. Blame that disgusting vile creature satan. Do not blame God.

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So if they are still Satan's possession, then Christ accomplished pretty much NOTHING in his supposed defeat of the powers of sin and death.

What is most sad to me about posts like these is just how fundamentally skewed people's thinking about God is. Many are so concerned with God's "justice" that they imagine God to be a heartless dictator that is ultimately self-consumed with "glory" and "justice" and other platitudes, caring not about the billions which God must ultimately cast off eternally.

The Scriptures, fortunately, are a welcome remedy to this confusion. The tell the story of a God who is much less concerned than we are with "glory" and "justice". In fact, the Scriptures tell us that God more or less sets these aside in an extravagant display of love and self-sacrifice.

Seeing a world torn apart, hopeless and rushing toward annihilation, God intervenes, setting aside all divine rights to "justice" and "glory." Instead, God deigns to become like the broken, participating in their struggle, so that He might once and for all crush the root of their despair.

Seriously, if more Christians would think in terms of a biblical theology of sin and salvation, there would be a lot more Christians.