Can God self Terminate?

miknik5 · Nov 7, 2016

No man can add to his stature in CHRIST JESUS

either one has been baptized by HIS baptism. And has risen in HIM

toLiJC said:
if they have another god, lord(christ) or spirit (besides the true One)

Blessings

I didn't ask you a question regarding these carnal believers (in CHRIST) who were separating themselves from the ONE whom they should look to only! forgetting that they were baptized into CHRIST and didn't and shouldn't look to any man BUT should only look to CHRIST

The fact that they were saying i follow this one showed that they were bickering about meaningless things to begin with

As if a man could be baptized into a man?
As if one who has been baptized into Christ would need to look to another man

They don't have to
And Paul was reminding them that these (Paul, cephas, apollos) were simply men through whom they had heard the GOSPEL and believed

miknik5 · Nov 7, 2016

ONE GOSPEL

And all GOD's PROMISES are yes for all those who are in CHRIST JESUS

Are there different levels for those in CHRIST JESUS?

No
Either in
Or outside THE DOOR unto the Kingdom

toLiJC · Nov 7, 2016

miknik5 said:
Process of practicing faith? Please explain

Thanks

to practice the faith only in [That Who is really the true Lord God], moreover, right (enough), even starting from the very beginning if it is necessary

Blessings

toLiJC · Nov 7, 2016

miknik5 said:
Nope. You are actually progressing above the head and going beyond what is written

what?!

honestly, i have no time to waste, and prefer not to waste my time with long explanations - either believe, or at least don't vilify the Holy Spirit

Blessings

miknik5 · Nov 7, 2016

toLiJC said:
to practice the faith only in [That Who is really the true Lord God], moreover, right (enough), even starting from the very beginning if it is necessary

Blessings

The true LORD GOD?

As if to us there is any other?

toLiJC · Nov 7, 2016

miknik5 said:
ONE GOSPEL

And all GOD's PROMISES are yes for all those who are in CHRIST JESUS

Are there different levels for those in CHRIST JESUS?

No
Either in
Or outside THE DOOR unto the Kingdom

there are different positions, higher and lower, for example, isn't there a difference between one Archangel such as Michael and one lower Angel such as the Angels of Michael (Revelation 12:7)?!, or wasn't there a difference between one Apostle such as Peter and one new Christian without any "order" such as those of corinth to whom St Paul wrote?!

Blessings

toLiJC · Nov 7, 2016

miknik5 said:
The true LORD GOD?

As if to us there is any other?

hopefully, there will be no other (besides the true One) found in any of the worshipers

Blessings

toLiJC · Nov 7, 2016

miknik5 said:
No man can add to his stature in CHRIST JESUS

either one has been baptized by HIS baptism. And has risen in HIM

I didn't ask you a question regarding these carnal believers (in CHRIST) who were separating themselves from the ONE whom they should look to only! forgetting that they were baptized into CHRIST and didn't and shouldn't look to any man BUT should only look to CHRIST

The fact that they were saying i follow this one showed that they were bickering about meaningless things to begin with

As if a man could be baptized into a man?
As if one who has been baptized into Christ would need to look to another man

They don't have to
And Paul was reminding them that these (Paul, cephas, apollos) were simply men through whom they had heard the GOSPEL and believed

without judging any human/soul, if any worshiper believes in a man, albeit a true Apostle of Christ, comparing him with Christ and making him out to be greater or more preferred than Christ, then it is certain that worshiper thus kind of has another lord besides the true One

Blessings

Radrook · Nov 8, 2016

LinkH said:
This reminds me of a verse about foolish questions.

The question about an all-powerful being being able to make a rock so heavy he can't lift it is just a self-contradicting concept. You can ask if someone with infinite strength who can lift anything can lift a rock that is too heavy to lift. It's just throwing the issue of God into a self-contradictory question. It's something similar going on here, since God is eternal and has no end.

Please note that the majority of participants here both philosophers and religious do not consider the question foolish. In any case, let's examine your premise for classifying it as foolish.

You claim that it is foolish because the Bible declares that by nature God is eternal. That is true. But please note that the question is pitting that eternal nature versus his power-an issue that you choose to evade by simply saying that God is eternal when eternalness of his nature isn't being questioned or doubted. In fact, nothing at all is being doubted since almightiness and being eternal are givens when speaking of the biblically described God. What is being questioned is an ability. A Capability to accomplish something where the entity involved, the biblically described God in this case, might be motivated to try it.

You compare such a question to the non-liftable Rock paradox? Please note that I do not consider that particular example paradoxical at all. Why? Very simple! Because it illogically requires God to be rendered helpless or incapable of reducing his own power which is totally under his control to the level where he cannot move a certain object. In short, it demands that God cease to be God almighty so that he becomes incapable of modification of one of his attributes. I personally do not see any reason why God cannot modulate his own power via decreasing it in accord with demanding circumstances. Humans do it easily. Yet you demand a God who be rendered helpless in this respect? It is like saying that superman could never lift a drinking glass because he would always crush it or ever caress a woman's face because he would always kill her with a gesture of love due to his inability to modulate his own power which he must keep art full force all the time because he is superman and if he did not then he would cease to be superman.

No, I do not envision God as being a helpless victim of his power faculty. Instead and far more accurately, I envision him as have full control of such a faculty and being able to modulate them it at will and with very fine tuning just as we humans do with ours. So yes, God can decrease his power to the point of being incapable of moving a targeted object and no, he does NOT cease to be God by exercising that ability.

miknik5 · Nov 8, 2016

toLiJC said:
there are different positions, higher and lower, for example, isn't there a difference between one Archangel such as Michael and one lower Angel such as the Angels of Michael (Revelation 12:7)?!, or wasn't there a difference between one Apostle such as Peter and one new Christian without any "order" such as those of corinth to whom St Paul wrote?!

Blessings

Not in the BODY sir
If any man is in CHRIST he is a new creation

And in fact sir

The one who comes in at the last hour will be first

miknik5 · Nov 8, 2016

CHRIST gives gifts by HIS SPIRIT for the building up of and the edification of THE BODY

There are those who are filled and fed but the baby lambs trailing behind. And what these filled and fed and fat sheep feed these babes better be pure so that all are strengthened and none are made lame til we all reach the unity of the faith unto the full measure of CHRIST

But there is only ONE FAITH

And that faith is directed in and on CHRIST JESUS alone

ALL look to HIM as their HOPE and their LIFE

And none go out from or progress above HIM Who is both THE FOUNDATION and HEAD of HIS OWN BODY. And as such HE alone is able to direct the "members" of HIS BODY as HE chooses by giving gifts of HIS SPIRIT according to HIS PURPOSE

LinkH · Nov 8, 2016

Radrook said:
Please note that the majority of participants here both philosophers and religious do not consider the question foolish. In any case, let's examine your premise for classifying it as foolish.

You claim that it is foolish because the Bible declares that by nature God is eternal. That is true. But please note that the question is pitting that eternal nature versus his power-an issue that you choose to evade by simply saying that God is eternal when eternalness of his nature isn't being questioned or doubted. In fact, nothing at all is being doubted since almightiness and being eternal are givens when speaking of the biblically described God. What is being questioned is an ability. A Capability to accomplish something where the entity involved, the biblically described God in this case, might be motivated to try it.

You compare such a question to the non-liftable Rock paradox? Please note that I do not consider that particular example paradoxical at all. Why? Very simple! Because it illogically requires God to be rendered helpless or incapable of reducing his own power which is totally under his control to the level where he cannot move a certain object. In short, it demands that God cease to be God almighty so that he becomes incapable of modification of one of his attributes. I personally do not see any reason why God cannot modulate his own power via decreasing it in accord with demanding circumstances. Humans do it easily. Yet you demand a God who be rendered helpless in this respect? It is like saying that superman could never lift a drinking glass because he would always crush it or ever caress a woman's face because he would always kill her with a gesture of love due to his inability to modulate his own power which he must keep art full force all the time because he is superman and if he did not then he would cease to be superman.

No, I do not envision God as being a helpless victim of his power faculty. Instead and far more accurately, I envision him as have full control of such a faculty and being able to modulate them it at will and with very fine tuning just as we humans do with ours. So yes, God can decrease his power to the point of being incapable of moving a targeted object and no, he does NOT cease to be God by exercising that ability.

I still consider it to be a foolish question. It is more about thinking of God's attributes as a series of 'omnis' and thinking in terms of Greek syllogisms than it has to do with what God has revealed about himself. You could ask questions about the same concepts without putting God into the question.

The idea of a being who has no end who has all power having the power to terminate his existence is just about contradictory concepts. God acts consistently with His nature. He also knows what we post.

I suppose we could ask hypothetical philosophical questions about 'your momma' and put her name in the question instead if we change the questions to be about human attributes.

Radrook · Nov 8, 2016

LinkH said:
I still consider it to be a foolish question. It is more about thinking of God's attributes as a series of 'omnis' and thinking in terms of Greek syllogisms than it has to do with what God has revealed about himself. You could ask questions about the same concepts without putting God into the question.

The idea of a being who has no end who has all power having the power to terminate his existence is just about contradictory concepts. God acts consistently with His nature. He also knows what we post.

I suppose we could ask hypothetical philosophical questions about 'your momma' and put her name in the question instead if we change the questions to be about human attributes.

My mother recently passed away and I am still grieving. That is a cruel thing to say!

toLiJC · Nov 8, 2016

miknik5 said:
Not in the BODY sir
If any man is in CHRIST he is a new creation

And in fact sir

The one who comes in at the last hour will be first

your logic here is at least a little strange - is there a person born in this world and still alive and unresurrected here that has no body and is not in body?!

Blessings

Radrook · Nov 8, 2016

toLiJC said:
your logic here is at least a little strange - is there a person born in this world and still alive and unresurrected here that has no body and is not in body?!

Blessings

I never made that crazy claim.

miknik5 · Nov 8, 2016

Radrook said:
My mother recently passed away and I am still grieving. That is a cruel thing to say!

I'm so sorry. It is one year since my mother passed just this October 30th

I am sorry. It is very hard and it's such an empty feeling It's like a constant heaviness and the easiest way for me has been to be angry at the medical doctors who made so many mistakes in "caring" for her

I know it's not the greatest place for me to direct my emotions. But if I don't I just cry

I'm sorry about your loss

miknik5 · Nov 8, 2016

toLiJC said:
your logic here is at least a little strange - is there a person born in this world and still alive and unresurrected here that has no body and is not in body?!

Blessings

Every man has been born into the world of flesh

Not every man is born again of HIS SPIRIT

Ye must be born again

Flesh gives birth to flesh
SPIRIT gives birth to spirit

LinkH · Nov 8, 2016

Radrook said:
My mother recently passed away and I am still grieving. That is a cruel thing to say!

I certainly apologize. I didn't mean any disrespect. I meant throwing someone dear to us into a logical discussion when the individual in question is not at issue. I am very sorry for your loss.

toLiJC · Nov 9, 2016

miknik5 said:
Every man has been born into the world of flesh

Not every man is born again of HIS SPIRIT

Ye must be born again

Flesh gives birth to flesh
SPIRIT gives birth to spirit

how can you know who is born of the Holy Spirit and who is not, especially if you are not God Himself?!

Luke 5:32 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

it is evident from what is said in this verse that there had also been righteous people in this world even before the Lord, Jesus, was born in it, so how can you prove that none of those who had been born in this world before His coming 2 millennia ago was born of the Holy Spirit?!

2 Peter 1:20-21 "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

Blessings

miknik5 · Nov 9, 2016

toLiJC said:
how can you know who is born of the Holy Spirit and who is not, especially if you are not God Himself?!

Luke 5:32 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

it is evident from what is said in this verse that there had also been righteous people in this world even before the Lord, Jesus, was born in it, so how can you prove that none of those who had been born in this world before His coming 2 millennia ago was born of the Holy Spirit?!

2 Peter 1:20-21 "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

Blessings

because THE HOLY SPIRIT had not yet been given because that CHRIST JESUS had not yet been glorified (John 7:39)

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