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Faith in the words of our Lord, it is about neither logic nor science. What do the Bible say about human wisdom and reason? It is folly.
1 Corinthians 1:18
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Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach[b] to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,[c] not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being[d] might boast in the presence of God. 30 And because of him[e] you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
So anyone who gotten covid 19 in those churches, cannot be because of that reason, but must be because of some other reason?
How do you know that to be true?
In my own parish, those who got it seem to have gotten it elsewhere; it was (is) a virulent virus, and in the secular world, spread by many means. Those in my parish that did get it (almost everyone) stayed away out of courtesy and respect for others. I worked in Automotive as an engineer, I had it (with positive tests) 4 times despite the vaccines and boosters I got... although, maybe they diminished the effect of Covid.In case you were not following, the point he was trying to explain was
It has nothing to do with science.
It is about the logic of his reasoning.
In my own parish, those who got it seem to have gotten it elsewhere; it was (is) a virulent virus, and in the secular world, spread by many means. Those in my parish that did get it (almost everyone) stayed away out of courtesy and respect for others. I worked in Automotive as an engineer, I had it (with positive tests) 4 times despite the vaccines and boosters I got... although, maybe they diminished the effect of Covid.
Pastor and I (served as Deacon) wore masks, as did our parishioners, and these were removed only during reception of the Eucharist. We were not careless. but we were 100% ready to reopen when we were legally allowed to.
Interestingly, when we (at work) stopped being so careful, it seems we got it less frequently. Timing? None of us got sick at Church.
I think that there is a fundamental problem with any attempt to interpret tongues using data collected from people. The problem is the kind of tongues that are spoken today, they are usually seen as ecstatic speech and it cannot be interpreted by any known science or any collection of data. Fundamentally from a human linguistic perspective it is simply gibberish. Those who practise speaking in tongues will be inclined to think, that it is the language of angels, or a spiritual gift that needs a second spiritual gift to be interpreted. The second spiritual gift is mentioned in Paul's First letter to the Corinthians, it is referred to as the gift of interpretation of tongues. I have serious doubts, that anybody would claim that chatGPT has the gift of interpretation of tongues.Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?
Shawn Bolz, who was recently accused of fabricating prophecies in his ministry, recently shared that it appears OpenAI’s chatbot, ChatGPT, can translate speaking in tongues, also known as glossolalia.
In a recent discussion about God and technology shared on YouTube, Bolz highlighted what is being called the “ChatGPT Tongues Challenge,” which a number of Charismatic and Pentecostal Christians have been engaging in online.
“This week, one of my friends reached out to me who's also a journalist and a writer, and she said, ‘Have you done the ChatGPT tongues thing yet?’ And I said, ‘What are you talking about?’ She goes, ‘I spoke in my prayer language on ChatGPT and it actually interpreted some of my prayer language in different languages around the world,’” Bolz said.
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Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?
Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues Many Charismatic and Pentecostal Christians have been engaging in the ChatGPT Tongues Challenge to see if OpenAI s chatbot can translate speaking in tongues,www.christianpost.com
In my own parish, those who got it seem to have gotten it elsewhere;
Interesting, have you read about the neuroscientific study done, imaging the brain patterns of those speaking in tongues? According to the study, it doesn't originate in the language centres of the brain. I'm not a scientist, but I thought it was worth a mention.I think that there is a fundamental problem with any attempt to interpret tongues using data collected from people. The problem is the kind of tongues that are spoken today, they are usually seen as ecstatic speech and it cannot be interpreted by any known science or any collection of data.
Without faith in the promises of our Lord, including those regarding the sacrament, this conversation is going to remain irrelevant to you; I see no point in discussing further.There is a difference in meaning between
- those who got it seem to have gotten it elsewhere
- no one was infected with Covid as a result of partaking of the Eucharist
Thank you for your kind response sister, but interpretation was one of the gifts that were mentioned along with speaking in tongues and prophesying. So it wasn’t something learned over time it was the ability to interpret a language that was previously unknown to the interpreter. Interpretation was a miraculous gift, not worldly knowledge. So o think this still leaves room for the idea that it could’ve been a language that was unknown to the world. I’m not saying that it was I’m just saying that the way I read the passages pertaining to speaking in tongues I see it being a possibility.Well, that's the thing. If an interpreter is interpreting period it would be a known language to them. It wouldn't be unknown to them personally.
I see the pentecostal tongue for what it was and that it was miraculous that they each heard it in their own language. But I just don't see this as you posted-
being biblical.
We are all given different gifts. And I think picking up different languages is one. But it's all to edify the body of Christ, the church, etc. So I don't believe in the "speaking in tongues" phenomenon as portrayed like you posted to be biblical. I mean no offense. I don't think that's Paul's point either.
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