Then He shows favoritism. The passages you quote mainly have to do with the Jews thinking they were favored for being Jews (if context is to be taken into consideration).Yes, God will have favor and save those that have an obedient belief and not those that unbelieve. This is the basis of Romans 9:15 as to why God has mercy upon some and not others.
First, I am not trying to speak for what a Calvinist might understand about this.
But what I see is that God did create man so man would glorify God and enjoy God for all eternity.
However > man fell from fulfilling this purpose which God did have for all people.
So, in case a Calvinist says what you say Calvinists say > I would say that can be correct, depending on what the Calvinist means . . . by what you say he or she says.
And, of course, even if ones do not glorify and enjoy God, God still is able to glorify Himself by means of how he uses people who refuse Him. I would consider that evil people themselves do not glorify God, but God uses them for His glory, somehow > God will even bring about His all-loving results, from what evil people do > for example, evil people tortured and murdered Jesus, on the cross; yet, look at how God has used this to His glory.
But glorifying God while also enjoying Him for all eternity is for the elect, yes.
But . . . another thing > even though God chose the elect, we started as "children of wrath, just as the others," our Apostle Paul does say in Ephesians 2:3. So, there is no glory to us, that we have chosen Jesus >
"But God be thanked, that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered." (Romans 6:17)
Then He shows favoritism. The passages you quote mainly have to do with the Jews thinking they were favored for being Jews (if context is to be taken into consideration).
So you really need to stop with the notion that He doesn’t show favoritism.
That’s not what they are saying.Peter and Paul are saying God Himself does not solely unconditionally determines which individual men will or will not be saved for God leaves it up to each man to choose his own eternal abode so there is no partiality/favoritism on God's part as to where a man ends up in eternity.
Yet Calvinism does have God choosing for men what their eternal abode will be making God to be partial/show favoritism as to where a man will be in eternity.
There is a night and day difference between what Paul and Peter say and what Calvinism claims
Acts 10:34-35
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
God does not show partiality, favoritism for one individual over another when it comes to salvation. Salvation is equal for any and all who fear God and work righteousness will be accepted with God. Yet if God alone solely chooses that only certain individuals can fear God and work righteousness then GOd shows partiality to those individuals over others.
Romans 2:6-11
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.
God equally and impartially judges each man according to the type of deeds that man chose to do, whether righteous or unrighteous deeds. It would be partial and favoritism if God determined for certain individuals they do righteous deeds and another unrighteous deeds.
Calvinism HAS God showing partiality, favoritism.
God does not owe it to man that man hears the gospel, but God has chosen to save men through preaching the gospel, ( 1 Corinthians 1:21; Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 16:15-16). Are you calling God's choice in how men are to be saved 'happenstance'?
All people deserve hell. God chooses to have mercy and compassion on some.Peter and Paul are saying God Himself does not solely unconditionally determines which individual men will or will not be saved for God leaves it up to each man to choose his own eternal abode so there is no partiality/favoritism on God's part as to where a man ends up in eternity.
Yet Calvinism does have God choosing for men what their eternal abode will be making God to be partial/show favoritism as to where a man will be in eternity.
There is a night and day difference between what Paul and Peter say and what Calvinism claims
TheSeabass uses the "respector of men" verse willy nilly. I don't have time today but maybe later I'll get into the verse.Then He shows favoritism. The passages you quote mainly have to do with the Jews thinking they were favored for being Jews (if context is to be taken into consideration).
So you really need to stop with the notion that He doesn’t show favoritism.
Not in those exact words, but it depends on who is doing the choosing....God choosing for man or man choosing his own eternal fate.That’s not what they are saying.
TheSeabass uses the "respector of men" verse willy nilly. I don't have time today but maybe later I'll get into the verse.
My proof came from Bible verses not from any Armenian. God is not a Calvinist.I'm calling your Armenian view as happenstance.
All people deserve hell. God chooses to have mercy and compassion on some.
Again, the references have to do with the Jews thinking that they were “in” because of being Jews. In other words, being God’s chosen people had nothing to do with being a Jew by birth. Paul later clarified further in the beginning of Romans 9.Not in those exact words, but it depends on who is doing the choosing....God choosing for man or man choosing his own eternal fate.
Again, the references have to do with the Jews thinking that they were “in” because of being Jews. In other words, being God’s chosen people had nothing to do with being a Jew by birth. Paul later clarified further in the beginning of Romans 9.
You already agreed that God shows partiality.I understand what the reference is to.
The issue I am raising is who is doing the choosing as to where each man will be in eternity: God or man?
If God; then He would be showing partiality. If man; then no partiality.
I understand what the reference is to.
The issue I am raising is who is doing the choosing as to where each man will be in eternity: God or man?
If God; then He would be showing partiality. If man; then no partiality.
That's a broader problem with orthodox Christianity, actually- the inherent egoism of it. We are supposed to be happy all eternity while there is a pit of suffering that still exists. It's called by theologians "the Problem of Hell".
1. state the portion of the WCF.In case some wise guy wants to argue that the statement is technically correct because "glorifying God" is was intended for all people (which would include both accepting and rejecting him, whereas enjoying him would be intended for only the elect; A statement like "the purpose of man is to enjoy God or reject him forever" would be much more appropriate. That is obviously not how it was originally intended to be understood.
God is Holy, Holy, Holy and so is His Law. That may connect some of the dots.Yeah, if it's the purpose of man to glorify God, how does an eternal bonfire where they're in too much pain to even speak glorify Him?
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