Caesaropapism

Dream · Feb 28, 2005

Can somebody explain to me what Caesaropapism is? Is this when a church is subordinate to a governing body or is this when a church is also a governing body?

Also, has this ever been a characteristic of the Catholic Church, or is this strictly the Orthodox Church?

Thanks in advance.

ZooMom · Feb 28, 2005

Whatever it is, it's not something I'd want to pronounce or spell if I could avoid it.

Dream · Feb 28, 2005

Caesar-o-papism. Not very hard.

D'Ann · Feb 28, 2005

DreamTheater said:
Caesar-o-papism. Not very hard.

I wish that I could help you... now I'm curious too. I never heard of this word...ever. I wouldn't want to spell it or say it either LOL

God's Peace,

D'Ann

raptor13 · Mar 1, 2005

It's either the pope having the ultimate temporal power or the emperor having the ultimate spiritual power( i.e. the pope acting as emperor or the emperor acting as pope).

I forget which one it is tho. One is called caesaropapism and the other is called papocaesarism, but i often mix them up.

D'Ann · Mar 1, 2005

raptor13 said:
It's either the pope having the ultimate temporal power or the emperor having the ultimate spiritual power( i.e. the pope acting as emperor or the emperor acting as pope).

I forget which one it is tho. One is called caesaropapism and the other is called papocaesarism, but i often mix them up.

Thanks... that is more than I know... I would mix them up too. LOL

God's Peace,

D'Ann

AMDG · Mar 1, 2005

I've heard the word before (mainly in reference to the Eastern Orhodox Church and the Emporers). Actually I never had the opportunity to look it up before (so thanks for giving me that.) Anyway this is what I found:

Caesaropapism is the phenomenon of combining the power of worldy (secular) government with the spiritual authority of the Christian Church; most especially, the subordination of the spiritual power of the Christian Church to governmental authority; in its extreme form, it is a political theory in which the head of state also exercises dictatorial governmental power over and within the church.

Sounds like religion is just being made a department of the State Government--IOW, man (as in the Emporer) trumps God.

Aymn27 · Mar 1, 2005

ZooMom said:
Whatever it is, it's not something I'd want to pronounce or spell if I could avoid it.

Sounds like some sort of medical procedure to me!!

Dream · Mar 1, 2005

So does this term strictly refer to the Orthidox Church or has the Catholic Church ever been had a Caesaropapism system before?

Rilian · Mar 1, 2005

I think it's worthwhile to keep in mind when topics like this come up that we share 1,000 years of history as one church.

Dream · Mar 1, 2005

Rilian said:
I think it's worthwhile to keep in mind when topics like this come up that we share 1,000 years of history as one church.

Yes, very true. The context I'm reading this in is about the Great Schism.

Rilian · Mar 1, 2005

Okay, I didn't realize you meant that.

The schism itself to me seemed to involve a fairly unholy mix of religion and politics on both sides. I think the statement of the Mutual Lifting of Excommunications between Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I is right to point out that was a pretty troubled period in the history of the two churches.

Dream · Mar 1, 2005

Rilian said:
Okay, I didn't realize you meant that.

The schism itself to me seemed to involve a fairly unholy mix of religion and politics on both sides. I think the statement of the Mutual Lifting of Excommunications between Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I is right to point out that was a pretty troubled period in the history of the two churches.

Yea, I think you're right about this.

I try to learn as much as I can about the Great Schism, but it all seems so complicated.

raptor13 · Mar 1, 2005

DreamTheater said:
So does this term strictly refer to the Orthidox Church or has the Catholic Church ever been had a Caesaropapism system before?

Generally, the Orthodox are accused of being caesaropapist and the Catholics are accused of being papocaesarist.

Dream · Mar 1, 2005

raptor13 said:
Generally, the Orthodox are accused of being caesaropapist and the Catholics are accused of being papocaesarist.

Alright, thanks.

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