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Brothers and Sisters, is it TIME FOR WRATH???

Is it Time to start Preaching the Wrath of God???

  • Yes! Preach the Word!!! Wrath is part of God's message.

  • No. I do not think this is good for God's people or heathen.

  • Maybe, I'm not sure if we need to go this harsh.

  • Not yet. We should hold off for a few more years.

  • I am a heathen and hate this kind of preaching.


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ShieldOFaith

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I don't believe you just wrote that.
Utter nonsense. With that kind of logic, God is behind everything.
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 This is what the Sovereign Lord showed me: a basket of ripe fruit. 2 "What do you see, Amos?" he asked. "A basket of ripe fruit," I answered. Then the Lord said to me, "The time is ripe for my people Israel; I will spare them no longer. 3 "In that day," declares the Sovereign Lord, "the songs in the temple will turn to wailing. Many, many bodies--flung everywhere! Silence!" [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 4 Hear this, you who trample the needy and do away with the poor of the land, 5 saying, "When will the New Moon be over that we may sell grain, and the Sabbath be ended that we may market wheat?"-- skimping the measure, boosting the price and cheating with dishonest scales, 6 buying the poor with silver and the needy for a pair of sandals, selling even the sweepings with the wheat. 7 The Lord has sworn by the Pride of Jacob: "I will never forget anything they have done. 8 "Will not the land tremble for this, and all who live in it mourn? The whole land will rise like the Nile; it will be stirred up and then sink like the river of Egypt. 9 "In that day," declares the Sovereign Lord, "I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight. 10 I will turn your religious feasts into mourning and all your singing into weeping. I will make all of you wear sackcloth and shave your heads. I will make that time like mourning for an only son and the end of it like a bitter day. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 11 "The days are coming," declares the Sovereign Lord, "when I will send a famine through the land-- not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the Lord. 12 Men will stagger from sea to sea and wander from north to east, searching for the word of the Lord, but they will not find it. 13 "In that day "the lovely young women and strong young men will faint because of thirst. 14 They who swear by the shame of Samaria, or say, 'As surely as your god lives, O Dan,' or, 'As surely as the god of Beersheba lives'-- they will fall, never to rise again."
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 I saw the Lord standing by the altar, and he said: "Strike the tops of the pillars so that the thresholds shake. Bring them down on the heads of all the people; those who are left I will kill with the sword. Not one will get away, none will escape. 2 Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring them down. 3 Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, there I will hunt them down and seize them. Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea, there I will command the serpent to bite them. 4 Though they are driven into exile by their enemies, there I will command the sword to slay them. I will fix my eyes upon them for evil and not for good." 5 The Lord, the Lord Almighty, he who touches the earth and it melts, and all who live in it mourn-- the whole land rises like the Nile, then sinks like the river of Egypt-- 6 he who builds his lofty palace in the heavens and sets its foundation on the earth, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land-- the Lord is his name. 7 "Are not you Israelites the same to me as the Cushites?" declares the Lord. "Did I not bring Israel up from Egypt, the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir? 8 "Surely the eyes of the Sovereign Lord are on the sinful kingdom. I will destroy it from the face of the earth-- yet I will not totally destroy the house of Jacob," declares the Lord. 9 "For I will give the command, and I will shake the house of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve, and not a pebble will reach the ground. 10 All the sinners among my people will die by the sword, all those who say, 'Disaster will not overtake or meet us.' [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 11 "In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be, 12 so that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations that bear my name," declares the Lord, who will do these things. 13 "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills. 14 I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,"
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]AMOS 8,9.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Now, Happydance, if you have read this, then maybe, just maybe; you can understand what I wrote in that post.
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Maybe you can understand that GOD does watch what nations do and HE does judge them and does smack the taste out of their mouths sometimes!!![/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The Twin Towers, Katrina, SoCal fires... They are all judgments of God. He judges in two different ways.
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1. He directly hammers you (see Sodom, Egypt, Korah's Rebellion).[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2. He lifts His hand of protection off of you (see the 400 silent years).[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]That is how I can say what I said in that post and have the Word of God backing me up!!!
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I have; I don't see it containing any evidence that A, God delights in the death of innocents (which is a blasphemous statement), and B, that these disasters that have occurred are God's judgment. Were the disasters that occurred to Job somehow "God's judgment"?

Your words are blasphemy, pure and simple. You really need to repent, because out of anyone here on 4U, I think you're probably more in danger of damnation than anybody else.
 
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I just quoted the entire book of Amos, which is the Holy Word of God.

You have come against me with your own words.

I'll take GOD'S Word over yours.
 
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I just quoted the entire book of Amos, which is the Holy Word of God.

You have come against me with your own words.

I'll take GOD'S Word over yours.
But...the book of Amos was written by Amos...therefore they are the words of Amos...NOT God...Inspired by God...however they are the words of Amos my brother...not God LOL
 
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I just quoted the entire book of Amos, which is the Holy Word of God.

And added your own personal narrow interpretation of what those words meant.

The Pharisees did similar things in Jesus' day. Need I remind you of what He said to them, and undoubtedly what He'll say to you if you fail to repent for your grievous sin in this thread?

I'll take GOD'S Word over yours.

Wrong - you'll take your narrow interpretation of God's Word, regardless of whether or not that interpretation squares away with what God tells us through the Gospel.

The Scripture warns us to beware false prophets. I see little reason to believe that God isn't warning us about people like you.
 
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Blah, blah, blah....

The Word of God. Please show me the Word of God, and how I am "misinterpreting" or 'misrepresenting' God's Word....

Then and only then will I listen to you. And it better be in context and agree with the rest of Scripture.

Please also remember that I have graduated from Trinity Bible College and I do understand theology, hermeneutics, homiletics, and most importantly the Word of God.

So when you can show me that Preaching the Word of God, which includes preaching about His wrath, then I will take you seriously. Until then, I don't think that a guy with a black hood living in CA, that has done nothing but oppose the Word of God, is going to be taken very seriously by any true Bible student. Sorry, that is just the cold hard truth.

If you truly are a Christian, you'd have no problem with HIS WORD.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
 
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Blah, blah, blah....

The Word of God. Please show me the Word of God, and how I am "misinterpreting" or 'misrepresenting' God's Word....

I believe that the Word of God is the Bible. By claiming that God is saying through the Book of Amos that the disasters that occurred on 9/11 and in New Orleans were His punishment upon a sinful people, is a textbook example of someone (ie: you) putting their personal spin on it.

And as I've already pointed out, Job suffered many horrific disasters, according to the Scriptures - yet they weren't punishments from God. They were just a series of bad things that happened to a good man. The same is true with 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, etc.

If you truly are a Christian, you'd have no problem with HIS WORD.
So then how can you claim to be a Christian when your interpretation of the Scriptures is completely at odds with, for example, Psalm 103?
 
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Until then, I don't think that a guy with a black hood living in CA, that has done nothing but oppose the Word of God, is going to be taken very seriously by any true Bible student. Sorry, that is just the cold hard truth. (emph. added)

Uhmmm the guy with the hood is Death from "the Seventh Seal".
tulc(just so you know)
 
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But...the book of Amos was written by Amos...therefore they are the words of Amos...NOT God...Inspired by God...however they are the words of Amos my brother...not God LOL
You obviously don't know about the Word of God. Here is a little help with that.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. --Deut. 8

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'" --Matt 4

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead--have you not read what God said to you, 32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." --Matt 22

JESUS CHRIST HAS JUST VALIDATED ALL OF SCRIPTURE HERE!!!

"HAVE YOU NOT READ WHAT GOD HAS SAID TO YOU"

Opps! Your words are null and void. Amos is GODS WORD.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. --2 Tim 3

"ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED"!!!

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. --2 Pet. 1

In the Greek this very powerful, it conveys the picture that the Holy Spirit is Forcefully pushing a ship and forcing it to go where He wants it to go. The man of God who the Spirit is moving upon is only writing what GOD wants Him to write. Awesome.

So to make things clear, the HOLY BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD. Not just words written by men. It is literally the Words of God, given to us by HIM!!! Awesome.

If you say different, you are going directly against what Jesus said. You will be held accountable for that.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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And you say I won't be taken seriously (or, more-accurately, that the person in my avatar won't be taken seriously - which is unfair, since he died many years ago!). What a riot.
 
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So your proof that the Bible is God's word is the Bible?

Logic is not really your strong suit, is it?
 
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And you say I won't be taken seriously (or, more-accurately, that the person in my avatar won't be taken seriously - which is unfair, since he died many years ago!). What a riot.

And just when I was about to start taking you seriously, you have proved that you do not hold God's Word to be truly GODS WORDS.

So since you do not believe that the Word of God is truly absolutely given to us by GOD HIMSELF, then I can only hold you as one who holds to 'liberal theology' and hence you do not see GODS WORD as absolute truth. Your arguments then, are null and void, and not worthy of my attention. I will only give argument to Christians who hold Gods Word as truly Gods Word. Otherwise I am spinning my wheels and cheapening His holy Word.

When you can prove to me that you hold GODS WORD in the highest regard, i.e. you confirm that His Word is 100% spoken directly to us by Himself; then I will take you seriously and will respond to your objections. Until then, you have proven to me to be found wanting. I have no time to waste on someone holding to liberal theology.

GODS WORD IS HOLY AND PERFECT. GOD HIMSELF MOVED UPON MEN TO WRITE EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED TO SAY TO MAN. THIS WRITTEN WORK IS CALLED THE HOLY BIBLE.

PREACH IT!
 
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And just when I was about to start taking you seriously, you have proved that you do not hold God's Word to be truly GODS WORDS.

Mmmmm, no. I believe God's Word is God's Word. I do not believe your interpretation of God's Word to be accurate.


Hey, that's fine with me. I have very little gain from trying to convince you, whereas you have quite a bit to gain by convincing me - since, if you're able to convince me, you'll probably be able to convince quite a few people here who find what you say to be less blasphemous than I do.
 
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ahhh .....

So those with liberal theology are not worthy of you...I see now

Don't miss quote me, please.

Those with liberal theology are not worth my TIME!

I have no time to waste on this earth. If you prove yourself opposed to sound doctrine, and do not hold GODS WORD as 100% true and accurate then I have no time to waste on arguing with you. Does one waste time arguing with a wall??? If you are insane, maybe. But a rational person does not argue with a wall. So I will not argue the Word of God with someone who does not believe that His Word is perfect and true. This does not stop me from preaching the Word to heathen; it just keeps me from wasting time with those who claim to be Christians but do not take GOD seriously.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
 
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ahhh .....

So those with liberal theology are not worthy of you...I see now
Yep, that's about the size of it; really, the only way SoF's argument holds together is if one assumes that his interpretation of the Bible is 100% accurate. Since nobody but SoF seems to believe that, then it pretty much follows that anybody who disagrees with him is, in his sight, damned.

I, personally, think everyone here ought to put him on their ignore list. Anybody else think that's a good idea? Or does anybody disagree?
 
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Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God

Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758)

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July 8, 1741


Their foot shall slide in due time. Deuteronomy 32:35
In this verse is threatened the vengeance of God on the wicked unbelieving Israelites, who were God's visible people, and who lived under the means of grace; but who, notwithstanding all God's wonderful works towards them, remained (as vers 28.) void of counsel, having no understanding in them. Under all the cultivations of heaven, they brought forth bitter and poisonous fruit; as in the two verses next preceding the text. -- The expression I have chosen for my text, their foot shall slide in due time, seems to imply the following things, relating to the punishment and destruction to which these wicked Israelites were exposed.
  1. That they were always exposed to destruction; as one that stands or walks in slippery places is always exposed to fall. This is implied in the manner of their destruction coming upon them, being represented by their foot sliding. The same is expressed, Psalm 72:18. "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction."
  2. It implies, that they were always exposed to sudden unexpected destruction. As he that walks in slippery places is every moment liable to fall, he cannot foresee one moment whether he shall stand or fall the next; and when he does fall, he falls at once without warning: Which is also expressed in Psalm 73:18,19. "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction: How are they brought into desolation as in a moment!"
  3. Another thing implied is, that they are liable to fall of themselves, without being thrown down by the hand of another; as he that stands or walks on slippery ground needs nothing but his own weight to throw him down.
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Wow, the slippery ground we are standing on as Americans is pretty scary right now.
 
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My apologies for misquoting...however...

We who hold liberal theologies (or at least I do-I wont speak for others)...

Do Take God Seriously!!

It hurts that your accusing me otherwise and judging my relationship with God....I have a very serious relationship with God...and well I dont think its up to you to think that its a relationship to be taken lightly as its not your relationship...
 
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