bottom line will Libby be pardoned?

Billnew · Mar 13, 2007

Will Libby be pardoned?

I believe Libby will be pardoned before Bush leaves office.
I don't know if it will be before appeals or in the pile of appeals that the out going PResident does
before leaving office.

Bush's popularity is 25%, what does he have to loose?
Republicans can embrace it, denounce it, or ignore it, but it won't hurt them either.

jgarden · Mar 13, 2007

Billnew said:
Will Libby be pardoned?

I believe Libby will be pardoned before Bush leaves office.
I don't know if it will be before appeals or in the pile of appeals that the out going PResident does
before leaving office.

Bush's popularity is 25%, what does he have to loose?
Republicans can embrace it, denounce it, or ignore it, but it won't hurt them either.

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FLASHBACK: Tom Delay During Clinton Impeachment
Here's what former House Majority Leader Tom Delay said back in 1998 when the House was debating whether to impeach President Clinton:

I believe that this nation sits at a crossroads. One direction points to the higher road of the rule of law. Sometimes hard, sometimes unpleasant, this path relies on truth, justice and the rigorous application of the principle that no man is above the law.

Now, the other road is the path of least resistance. This is where we start making exceptions to our laws based on poll numbers and spin control. This is when we pitch the law completely overboard when the mood fits us, when we ignore the facts in order to cover up the truth.

Shall we follow the rule of law and do our constitutional duty no matter unpleasant, or shall we follow the path of least resistance, close our eyes to the potential lawbreaking, forgive and forget, move on and tear an unfixable hole in our legal system? No man is above the law, and no man is below the law. That's the principle that we all hold very dear in this country.

Can we hear another stirring speech from our Republican friends that "no man is above the law" - unless of course one wants to argue that "perjury" is so pervasive at the White House, it is no longer an indictable offense .

Billnew · Mar 14, 2007

Perjury: knowingly making false statments.
If a prosecutor asks you who you talked to 2 years ago on such and such a date, and asked what was said would you be able to remember?

The lies were of a passing conversation. And several people had faulty memories from that far back.

Lets compare knowingly lying and creating false documents to not being certain and remembering the wrong conversation on the wrong date.

This is a political hit. But right or wrong, I believe Libby will be pardoned. Because like I said, the President can't drop much farther down in the polls.
I think he is at the right wing core now.(25%)

Political wrangling needs to stay in politics and not
cross into judicial unless serious laws are broken.

Lets see, What did you post 2 weeks ago on thursday?
Do you even remember any topics from that day?
I know I don't.

ImmortalTechnique · Mar 14, 2007

Libby is guilty of perjury. that much is established, pending appeals. A jury that heard hours of testimony determined that he knowingly lied. That's not the issue. The issue is if Bush will pardon someone who knowingly lied.

Apex · Mar 14, 2007

Didnt clinton pardon a bunch of people as he was leaving office?

ImmortalTechnique · Mar 14, 2007

Apex said:
Didnt clinton pardon a bunch of people as he was leaving office?

indeed he did. Political hot potatoes (such as pardons) are usually saved for the end of a term to minimize political damage for the next election.

Apex · Mar 14, 2007

ImmortalTechnique said:
indeed he did. Political hot potatoes (such as pardons) are usually saved for the end of a term to minimize political damage for the next election.

Thats what I thought. So neither side, democrats or republicans, can say one thing about it then.

ImmortalTechnique · Mar 14, 2007

Apex said:
Thats what I thought. So neither side, democrats or republicans, can say one thing about it then.

that's a pretty foolish conclusion to draw. I oppose pardons in general, and the Clinton pardons were specifically pretty bad. A Libby pardon, in addition, would be as bad or worse than any the Clinton did.

The President has the absolute Constitutional authority to pardon. That doesn't mean that he should, and the fact that it has been done in the past in no way justifies it morally in any future case. To claim that because Clinton pardoned people, Bush should get a free moral and political pass on his own pardons is foolish. They should all be judged on their merits, not on Clinton's.

burrow_owl · Mar 14, 2007

Libby has a whopper of a tell-all book in him if he's not pardoned. It's fairly obvious what Bush will do.

oldbetang · Mar 14, 2007

burrow_owl said:
Libby has a whopper of a tell-all book in him if he's not pardoned. It's fairly obvious what Bush will do.

Yeah, but who's going to believe a convicted perjurer?

Pseudonym · Mar 14, 2007

I think Libby will be pardoned assuming appeals fail. I'd pardon my cronies too, that's why they're cronies.

MachZer0 · Mar 14, 2007

I would like like to see the legal system provide Libby's vindication, and suspect that eventually it will, making a pardon a moot point.

But let me say this. It warms my heart to see that so many liberals finally see the seriousness of perjury. It's been a long time coming. I just hope a Republican doesn't have to steal and destroy classified documents in order for those Democrats to recognize what a serious crime that is as well.

Whyzdom · Mar 14, 2007

Are you speaking of Sandy Burglar again?

utdbear · Mar 15, 2007

I would love to see it, just because it would throw liberals into another tizzy about something they can't do anything about.

RobertSummersMD · Mar 15, 2007

I hope he gets pardoned. Laws aren't supposed to apply to the rich--this is America.

[serious] · Mar 15, 2007

he'll be pardoned on Bush's way out.

jgarden · Mar 15, 2007

utdbear said:
I would love to see it, just because it would throw liberals into another tizzy about something they can't do anything about.

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March 14, 2007

President Bush and President Calderón Participate in a Joint Press Availability

..........A lot of Americans were deeply concerned that the United States was not enforcing our laws. They felt like there wasn't a commitment to the rule of law. Over the past year, I believe we have shown the American people that there is a strong commitment to the rule of law, and I think members of Congress are now feeling more comfortable that the country is committed to rule of law..........

Does Bush's commitment to the "rule of law" in America stop at the front doors of the White House.?

Clinton's pardons created enough of a "tizzy" that it probably lost Gore the presidency.

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Will Libby be pardoned?

Libby will be pardoned if appeals fail,

Libby will be pardoned before appealing

Libby will serve jail time.

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