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Oafman

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Me too. What particularly resonated with me was this part of the article. In fact, this part almost made me cry because it's like....wow....finally, a white non-Muslim sees how we feel in these moments and put it so eloquently:



To illustrate this point, when we first saw the news, I was like, "Oh no, people at a marathon of all places were hit." But right away or maybe even before that, I had a slight knot in my stomach and I was thinking, "Oh God, please don't let it be a Muslim. Please, please, please God."

I didn't say it out loud, but family members did. I looked at them and said, "Isn't it sad that this is what we have to think about? That we can't JUST think about the victims, we have to be scared of the public and how they react towards us? When we should be concerned for the victims, we also become concerned for us (and for good reason)."

It's sad that we hold a collective breath during tragedies until it finally comes out that (more often than not) it was some white Christian guy. But then ethnicity or religion don't matter...they had only mattered when people thought the person COULD be a Muslim and/or foreign.

I remember when the Aurora shooting happened, we breathed a sigh of relief when it was discovered that it was a non-Muslim. Same with the Sikh temple shooting. Same with Sandy Hook. I almost feel guilty that this is our reaction, but there is a reason that this is how we react. I wish that the only emotions we felt were horror at the acts and sadness over what took place and the damage inflicted, but the public reaction towards us has made us into this.

I mean, look at how the Saudi national was treated even though he was among the injured. Imagine the outrage if any of the other injured had the same treatment that he got just because they didn't look the right way and were running away (which many were!). He was interrogated for 5 hours as if he's a suspect, the feds raided his room with a dog, and THEN say that he's a witness not a suspect. I'm guessing they will treat all witnesses this way, then?
 
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Pressure-cooker bombs suspected in Boston blast, Obama calls it act of terrorism

Investigators said they have not yet determined what was used to set off the explosives.
Pressure-cooker explosives have been used in international terrorism, and have been recommended for lone-wolf operatives by Al-Qaeda's branch in Yemen.
But information on how to make the bombs is readily found online, and US officials said Americans should not rush to judgment in linking the attack to overseas terrorists.

-- Pressure-cooker bombs suspected in Boston blast, Obama calls it act of terrorism

The FBI, meanwhile, is



clueless

No doubt, a disgruntled postal worker -- or perhaps an elderly grandmother from Arkansas. TSA is hot on this one, conducting body searches...
 
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A just society doesn't reward proven (beyond doubt) murder with free room and board.
Agreed: Justice must be done, that means that guilt must be proven.

A just society does exactly that (and jail is not free room and board. Jail is imprisonment and is in no way comparable to getting a free place to stay). Just like free speech must apply to the most egregious and vile of speech to be a valid protection, so must the rule and process of law apply to to those who have obviously committed the most heinous of crimes. Our protections must protect all of us or they are guarantees for none of us.
 
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A just society does exactly that (and jail is not free room and board. Jail is imprisonment and is in no way comparable to getting a free place to stay).

No, in a just society, the punishment fits the crime, and society stands up for the victims of crime, protecting THEM, instead of the criminals.

Just like free speech must apply to the most egregious and vile of speech to be a valid protection, so must the rule and process of law apply to to those who have obviously committed the most heinous of crimes.

Where did I say anything else? I actually specified that guilt MUST be proven.
 
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No, in a just society, the punishment fits the crime, and society stands up for the victims of crime, protecting THEM, instead of the criminals.

And until guilt is established we should protect both, no? Otherwise we run the risk of persecuting the innocent.


Where did I say anything else? I actually specified that guilt MUST be proven.

Ah, I misunderstood the thrust of your post then. Apologies.
 
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Personally, if they are guilty then justice would be to turn them over to the families that were hurt and killed.
 
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Personally, if they are guilty then justice would be to turn them over to the families that were hurt and killed.

IF they're guilty, yes, and IF the state won't live up to its responsibility.

Really? seem to recall something about no trials for animals a day back. Must have been someone else.

Please provide proof that I said that! Because I can't remember doing so!
 
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I said they should get a fair trial.
Well, no, actually what you said was
You want to give this animal a trial? >.>
then you said
Once you decide to kill people, you don't deserve any more rights.

It was only after a bit of badgering that you amended that you said you're okay with them getting a trial. I think we've pretty much figured out your actual stance on the matter. You'd play judge, jury and executioner with someone if YOU thought they were guilty.
 
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Again, 8th ammendment whuh?

We may not always agree with the Constitution, especially in certain cases, but it's much better than mob rule - or governmental tyranny.
 
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