blessed forever???

Adventist Dissident · Jun 17, 2009

I was talking with DR Sylvester Case about the issue of the Sabbath. Case is a first generation Convert to SDAism after spending time with other Christian denominations.

One of the points that he brought up for his observence of the Sabbath was that "when God blesses something He blesses it Forever"

Here is the text

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

His argument is that God never takes a blessing off something once it is blessed, He takes blessings off a person but not a thing.

I would like people to weigh in on this, I would like to hear both sides of this debate.

Please do not try to accuse me of taking sides, please comment on the post. What is the nature of Gods blessings.

sentipente · Jun 17, 2009

Did Sylvester note that the seventh day has no end point?

Byfaithalone1 · Jun 18, 2009

icedragon101 said:
I was talking with DR Sylvester Case about the issue of the Sabbath. Case is a first generation Convert to SDAism after spending time with other Christian denominations.

One of the points that he brought up for his observence of the Sabbath was that "when God blesses something He blesses it Forever"

Here is the text

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

His argument is that God never takes a blessing off something once it is blessed, He takes blessings off a person but not a thing.

I would like people to weigh in on this, I would like to hear both sides of this debate.

Please do not try to accuse me of taking sides, please comment on the post. What is the nature of Gods blessings.

Since Dr. Sylvester believes that convocations which God blesses are blessed forever, perhaps we could discuss whether we are to keep ALL of God's holy convocations listed in Leviticus 23?

BFA

Cribstyl · Jun 18, 2009

icedragon101 said:
I was talking with DR Sylvester Case about the issue of the Sabbath. Case is a first generation Convert to SDAism after spending time with other Christian denominations.

One of the points that he brought up for his observence of the Sabbath was that "when God blesses something He blesses it Forever"

Here is the text

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

His argument is that God never takes a blessing off something once it is blessed, He takes blessings off a person but not a thing.

I would like people to weigh in on this, I would like to hear both sides of this debate.

Please do not try to accuse me of taking sides, please comment on the post. What is the nature of Gods blessings.

Percular argument to raise the term "never", considering that the ratio of "blessing" noted in the bible are more than 99% towards people from God, from people to God or from people to people.
Point #1.Dr Case's argument is technically false because the first blessing noted in Genesis included birds and animals not people... So "blessing" does not mean that changes are never included. Gen 1:22
The flood was a curse upon every (living) thing except fish.
It reduced all living species except man, to 1 male and female.Gen 6:17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die.

Point#2. This creation text above from Genesis 2 says that "God blessed the seventh day" not "God blessed the sabbath day." It appears that some commentaries intentionally fail to establish that God did not shabbat, but rather He shabat. The text in Exodus says.......Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day:

wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
......."For" means "because" God created all thing in six days "and shabat the seventh day",

("wherefore" means "this is why",)... "the shabbat day" is blessed and made a sacred event.

CRIB

Adventist Dissident · Jun 18, 2009

Byfaithalone1 said:
Since you believe that convocations which God blesses are blessed forever, perhaps you might share with us the way that you keep God's holy convocations set out in Leviticus 23?

BFA

BFA

I am going to ask you to refrain from further comment on this post, since you cannot respect the request made in the OP. I have specifically worded the question so as to not make this MY argument. I am testing HIS argument. It was specifically asked of you to not comment on M, but the topic. You do not know what I believe about this matter, because I have not told you, your hostility is unwelcome, unwanted, unhelpful and unchristian. Thank you for respecting this requist and not posting further. All comments are to be directed to the topic. Please do not reply to this post, it will be considred Hijacking the post.

Adventist Dissident · Jun 18, 2009

Cribstyl said:
Percular argument to raise the term "never", considering that the ratio of "blessing" noted in the bible are more than 99% towards people from God, from people to God or from people to people.
Point #1.Dr Case's argument is technically false because the first blessing noted in Genesis included birds and animals not people... So "blessing" does not mean that changes are never included. Gen 1:22
The flood was a curse upon every (living) thing except fish.
It reduced all living species except man, to 1 male and female.Gen 6:17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die.

Point#2. This creation text above from Genesis 2 says that "God blessed the seventh day" not "God blessed the sabbath day." It appears that some commentaries intentionally fail to establish that God did not shabbat, but rather He shabat. The text in Exodus says.......Exd 20:11For [in] six

days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day:

wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
......."For" means "because" God created all thing in six days "and shabat the seventh day",

("wherefore" means "this is why",)... "the shabbat day" is blessed and made a sacred event.

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I have heard this argument before and wanted to discuss it. Your view is that "wherefore" is established at the time of exodus, the problem for me with that answer is that there was a blessing on the 7th day in Genesis, and it looks like it is just being restated. The grammer of the text must be looked at and then it must be conclusive, other wise it is unconclusive.

Byfaithalone1 · Jun 18, 2009

I am going to ask you to refrain from further comment on this post

It is perfectly fair for you to challenge me on my question. It is not fair to prohibit me from posting in a public forum. I will avail myself of this opportunity to respond. You can decide whether you wish to engage in further dialogue with me.

I have specifically worded the question so as to not make this MY argument. I am testing HIS argument.

Fair enough. I have edited my post to read as follows:

Since Dr. Sylvester believes that convocations which God blesses are blessed forever, perhaps we could discuss whether we are to keep ALL of God's holy convocations listed in Leviticus 23?

You do not know what I believe about this matter, because I have not told you, your hostility is unwelcome, unwanted, unhelpful and unchristian.

My apologies. I intended no hostility. I am sad and disappointed that you received my question in that manner and will try to better communicate my intent in the future.

What can you share with us regarding your interest in Dr. Sylvester's position?

BFA

Adventist Dissident · Jun 18, 2009

Cribstyl said:
Cribstyl said:

Percular argument to raise the term "never", considering that the ratio of "blessing" noted in the bible are more than 99% towards people from God, from people to God or from people to people.
Point #1.Dr Case's argument is technically false because the first blessing noted in Genesis included birds and animals not people...

So "blessing" does not mean that changes are never included. Gen 1:22

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I don't believe he ever stated there was NEVER a change, just not a change on a thing, non mateial, a non living object, animals are creature and as such do not fall under this catagory.

it would be intresting to to a study to see if his theory hold's true

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Adventist Dissident · Jun 18, 2009

Since Dr. Sylvester believes that convocations which God blesses are blessed forever, perhaps we could discuss whether we are to keep ALL of God's holy convocations listed in Leviticus 23?

I believe he would answer you this way and I am inclined to do the same. Sabbath is of the 10 commandments and as such predated leivitucs 23. Sabbath may be included in Leviticus 23, but the other are not included in the 10 commandments. therefore Sabbath is unique in this regards.

Byfaithalone1 · Jun 18, 2009

I believe he would answer you this way and I am inclined to do the same.

OK. Thanks for speculating on his position.

Sabbath is of the 10 commandments and as such predated leivitucs 23.

If Dr. Sylvester were to conclude that the ten commandments predated laws that some refer to as "ceremonial," I wonder how he might view Deuteronomy 5:1-5?

Sabbath may be included in Leviticus 23, but the other are not included in the 10 commandments.

I wonder how Dr. Sylvester might view Exodus 34?

therefore Sabbath is unique in this regards.

I wonder whether Dr. Sylvester might notice the similarities that exist between the seventh day sabbath and the annual sabbaths. All are listed as God's. All are listed as holy convocations. Many are listed as sabbaths. Many are listed as "lasting." Many involve rest. Most (including the seventh day) included animal sacrifices. Do you suppose these inherent similarities would escape Dr. Sylvester?

I wonder whether Dr. Sylvester would allow for the possibility that God could curse something He had once blessed?

BFA

sentipente · Jun 18, 2009

icedragon101 said:
BFA

I am going to ask you to refrain from further comment on this post, since you cannot respect the request made in the OP. I have specifically worded the question so as to not make this MY argument. I am testing HIS argument.

How can we know that you have accurately represented his argument?

Sophia7 · Jun 27, 2009

icedragon101 said:
His argument is that God never takes a blessing off something once it is blessed, He takes blessings off a person but not a thing.

Did he provide any biblical support for his theory? I would be interested in seeing some.

sentipente · Jun 27, 2009

Sophia7 said:
Did he provide any biblical support for his theory? I would be interested in seeing some.

Any evidence would be sufficient for me.

Memento Mori · Jun 27, 2009

What is Case's definition of a blessing for this principle? God blessed and revoked His blessings on Israel many times. Seems pretty conditional to me.

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