Bisexual King David

armyman_83 said:

Yes I mean a duel.

Then I would say that they are a liar (and their thoughts hold no standing if they think it is not worthy to fight over), if they think they believe the truth then they should stand up for it. I would do so to keep King David's name honorable. For he himself is not now about to fight, and to abuse his good name while he is unable to rebuke such a claim then not expect a challenge would be foolish.

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I would think that God's approbation as recorded in the Bible would be enough to "keep King David's name honorable." And what it says is quite explicit, that he and Jonathan loved each other. Period. It implies a romantic love; it does not out and out state it. The two young men felt no shame before God, nor does He condemn it, in expressing their love physically (not sexually), as described in Scripture. Whether there was any genital-sexual component to what they did together is totally left unspoken in the words of Scripture, but surely embracing, kissing, and making ardent protestations of one's love are not the stuff one does with casual friends of the same sex.

But please take note that offering physical violence to another is both contrary to the rules of this board and a crime under law in many jurisdictions. Though I can understand your willingness to "defend the honor" of another, deceased person whom you respect (and the quotes are not pejorative but legitimately quotational), it would be my strong advice to retract that comment with apologies. Not to play moderator on you, just expressing concern.


brightmorningstar, I neither know nor wish to argue what Jesus may have conceived of beyond what He actually said in quoting that passage from Genesis. We could wait and ask Him, I suppose. What I do know was that He was making the point that (man/woman) marriage was divinely ordained as a way of criticizing strongly those who were teaching easy divorce. I find it purely loathsome that people who are prepared to welcome" serial monogamists" on their third or fourth wife or husband into the church quote this verse in order to condemn gays wanting to marry. This is really a case of worshipping the letter of Scripture while denying its spirit -- completely ignoring the point Jesus Himself was making in order to condemn a pariah by quoting out of context.

There can be no gay question if God’s purpose in creating male and female is so that a man and a woman shall be united. The gay ideas are contrary and opposite to God’s purpose. They are also based on denying the condemnations of homosexual acts that a same-sex union has.

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So, since Scripture condemns rape, it means any heterosexual behavior, by extension?

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that God is repelled by idolatrous behavior, including gay sex as a fertility rite, by the patronizing of boy prostitutes, by deceptive adultery whether hetero- or homosexual, by turning to gay sex for "new kicks" on the part of ennui-laden socialites, and all the other clearly condemned behavior in Scripture.

There is also no doubt in my mind that the reading of some of those specific verses in their modern translations with the idea of a legalistic, rule-based religion, would prohibit any homosexual acts as sinful.

But I have yet to see the commandment, "Go forth, armed in the power of the Spirit, and force your brother or sister, for whom I also died, to behave as you believe I want him to." Rather, we are told explicitly how to behave, and it involves the showing of love rather than judgment. Look carefully at the Parable of the Sheep and Goats. Every behavior that you show towards a gay person, a homeless person, an illegal immigrant, an Arab militant -- He Himself has said, quite clearly and explicitly and in His own voice while standing here on Earth, that He will regard that behavior as having been done unto Him -- and He will requite you accordingly.

That's scary!

Polycarp1 said:

So, since Scripture condemns rape, it means any heterosexual behavior, by extension?

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that God is repelled by idolatrous behavior, including gay sex as a fertility rite, by the patronizing of boy prostitutes, by deceptive adultery whether hetero- or homosexual, by turning to gay sex for "new kicks" on the part of ennui-laden socialites, and all the other clearly condemned behavior in Scripture.

There is also no doubt in my mind that the reading of some of those specific verses in their modern translations with the idea of a legalistic, rule-based religion, would prohibit any homosexual acts as sinful.

But I have yet to see the commandment, "Go forth, armed in the power of the Spirit, and force your brother or sister, for whom I also died, to behave as you believe I want him to." Rather, we are told explicitly how to behave, and it involves the showing of love rather than judgment. Look carefully at the Parable of the Sheep and Goats. Every behavior that you show towards a gay person, a homeless person, an illegal immigrant, an Arab militant -- He Himself has said, quite clearly and explicitly and in His own voice while standing here on Earth, that He will regard that behavior as having been done unto Him -- and He will requite you accordingly.

That's scary!

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I think the idea of having a duel over this thread is ridiculous. But then again, I consider David to be completely ancillary to Christianity.

Dear Polycarp1,

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that God is repelled by idolatrous behavior, including gay sex as a fertility rite, by the patronizing of boy prostitutes, by deceptive adultery whether hetero- or homosexual, by turning to gay sex for "new kicks" on the part of ennui-laden socialites, and all the other clearly condemned behavior in Scripture.

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But that’s assumption. The scripture is clear that the gentiles and the pagans did such acts and the often for religious reasons, but not always. But the people of God didn’t.ever do these acts. The gentile Greeks and Romans did such acts as part of education and pleasure as well and in rites.

But I have yet to see the commandment, "Go forth, armed in the power of the Spirit, and force your brother or sister, for whom I also died, to behave as you believe I want him to." Rather, we are told explicitly how to behave, and it involves the showing of love rather than judgment.

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Who do you mean by brother and sister? Brother and sisters in Christ don’t need to be forced into anything as they have Jesus to lead them. Brothers and sisters in the world need to first know Jesus as Lord before His teachings will mean anything to them. Its all about Jesus not about us and our ideas.

Look carefully at the Parable of the Sheep and Goats. Every behavior that you show towards a gay person, a homeless person, an illegal immigrant, an Arab militant -- He Himself has said, quite clearly and explicitly and in His own voice while standing here on Earth, that He will regard that behavior as having been done unto Him -- and He will requite you accordingly.

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Firstly why should I look at Matt 25 when we cant seem to see the same things in Matthew 19? Secondly I believe Matthew 25 tells me to help people as Jesus would. One can love people without loving their circumstances, I wouldn’t for example love the arab’s militancy, but I am to love the arab.

That's scary!

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Well if we believe Matt 25 then we will all face such judgement.. but from Jesus, not each other.

ElizaMcharty said:

. In addition, when attempting to envision the mechanics of this act one quickly finds it is surprisingly unwieldy and awkward to eat the honey in this manner; and yet he does.

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I don't claim to know much for sure, but I am fairly sure that he didn't...

About retrieving the honey with a rod...maybe he didn't want to get stung by bees by sticking his hand in there...

Thanks guys for making me laugh. This thread is hilarious. No wonder I don't post on this board too much anymore.

I think that more offers to duel would make CF a much more exciting forum. Maybe we can talk to Erwin about creating a new forum for arranging these sorts of things.