Biblical literalists

random_guy · Sep 20, 2005

LittleNipper said:
You do not read the Bible with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, nor do you read the Bible---literally or otherwise.

Yeah, us fake Christians have been reading the Bible with the unHoly Spirit, unlike the righteous LittleNipper. Feeling a little full of yourself?

TheBigAl · Sep 20, 2005

LittleNipper said:
You do not read the Bible with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, nor do you read the Bible---literally or otherwise.

Its called "DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION". Some are more sound than others. Yours is just ill-created and embedded in your ego.

PS: Saying that he doesnt read the bible is actually insulting him. And if I remember correctly, the Lord demands respect for your fellow man/women. Which makes me think that maybe you arent a thiest but a troll just trying to make theistic individuals look bad.

ChrisS · Sep 20, 2005

LittleNipper said:
You do not read the Bible with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, nor do you read the Bible---literally or otherwise.

I do read the bible. The New Testament is bioi, and quite didactic, like I've said many times in the past. Thus I read the new testament hopefully the same way you do, and that's what counts.

The old testament however, I read much different then you, apparently .

JohnR7 · Sep 20, 2005

z3ro said:
I have a question for you. Why don't snakes eat dust? It clearly says in Genesis that snakes are cursed, and that they will eat dust in the future. Yet, modern snakes clearly do not eat dust. Why is that?

Basicly that means from dust to dust, ashes to ashes, from the ground you came and from the ground you shall return. As compared to eternal life.

When we live in rebellion to God there will be no eternal life for us. The rabbit and mouse that the snake eats is like the snake made up of the dust of the ground. There is no eternal life there.

TheBigAl · Sep 20, 2005

LittleNipper said:
IF I challenged the belief of Satan and demonic existence, I would not be pointing a finger at someone else and suggesting that the individual was not biblical.

LittleNipper said:
You do not read the Bible with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, nor do you read the Bible---literally or otherwise.

My irony meter broke.

PS: Why so silent Nip? Are you waiting for me to go away so you can continue with your merry frolic?

z3ro · Sep 20, 2005

JohnR7 said:
Basicly that means from dust to dust, ashes to ashes, from the ground you came and from the ground you shall return. As compared to eternal life.

When we live in rebellion to God there will be no eternal life for us. The rabbit and mouse that the snake eats is like the snake made up of the dust of the ground. There is no eternal life there.

Well, two questions then; what did the snake eat before the fall, and how come we eat dust as well? I mean, we weren't cursed to eat dust, and yet we(along with many other none cursed animals) still do. What gives?

JohnR7 · Sep 20, 2005

z3ro said:
Well, two questions then; what did the snake eat before the fall, and how come we eat dust as well? I mean, we weren't cursed to eat dust, and yet we(along with many other none cursed animals) still do. What gives?

Dust means the earth. We may eat a cow, but the cow eats the grass that comes from the earth. The earth contains the minerals and elements. There is nothing in you that does not come from the earth.

That is why they say from the earth we came and to the earth we shall return. Dust is just another word used in the place of the word earth. In the end we are little more than a hand full of dust. That is all that will remain of us. A wind could come along and blow us away.

Before the fall there was the tree of life and the tree of death. The snake made the choice to eat the tree that resulted in death. We have the same choice today, we can have eternal life or if we want we can just return to the dust and that would be the end of us, forgotten never to be heard of again.

z3ro · Sep 20, 2005

JohnR7 said:
Dust means the earth. We may eat a cow, but the cow eats the grass that comes from the earth. The earth contains the minerals and elements. There is nothing in you that does not come from the earth.

That is why they say from the earth we came and to the earth we shall return. Dust is just another word used in the place of the word earth. In the end we are little more than a hand full of dust. That is all that will remain of us. A wind could come along and blow us away.

Before the fall there was the tree of life and the tree of death. The snake made the choice to eat the tree that resulted in death. We have the same choice today, we can have eternal life or if we want we can just return to the dust and that would be the end of us, forgotten never to be heard of again.

No, the snake was cursed to eat dust. Now, if everything is dust, then everything(plants included) eat dust. God only cursed the snake. If god only cursed the snake, why does everything eat dust?

JohnR7 · Sep 20, 2005

z3ro said:
No, the snake was cursed to eat dust. Now, if everything is dust, then everything(plants included) eat dust. God only cursed the snake. If god only cursed the snake, why does everything eat dust?

The problem with your logic is when you say that "God only cursed the snake". All of creation was cursed.

Romans 8:21-22
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

All of creation fell into corruption. But God has a plan for all of creation to be redeemed.

BananaSlug · Sep 20, 2005

TheBigAl said:
Its called "DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION". Some are more sound than others. Yours is just ill-created and embedded in your ego.

PS: Saying that he doesnt read the bible is actually insulting him. And if I remember correctly, the Lord demands respect for your fellow man/women. Which makes me think that maybe you arent a thiest but a troll just trying to make theistic individuals look bad.

let's not forget he still hasn't answered my question...
http://www.christianforums.com/t2088920-christian-beliefs-contradicting-themselves.html&page=16
Read all of his comments after mine. You think a christian would be able to quote scripture backing his beliefs...

z3ro · Sep 20, 2005

JohnR7 said:
The problem with your logic is when you say that "God only cursed the snake". All of creation was cursed.

Romans 8:21-22
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

All of creation fell into corruption. But God has a plan for all of creation to be redeemed.

No, this is a literal interpritation. It only says he cursed the snake, nothing about the rest of creation. Nothing in genesis, where it would obviously be mentioned, should it have happened. Plain as day, just the snake. If all of creation can be cursed, why can six days not be six days.

BananaSlug · Sep 20, 2005

First of all, it never says "snake," it's serpent. Serpents were typically represented as dragons. The serpent in the garden is generally thought to be Satan (from what I've learned from reading Genesis). Satan was cursed in the Garden because he "tricked" A&E. The curse of "brusing heel and crushed head" is thought be the first prophecy of Christ. The brusing heel refers to the crucifixion and the crushed head is his final victory over Satan. Of course, to literalists it could be simply snakes biting us and us killing snakes.
I've hated this verse because a lot of rednecks use it as an excuse to kill snakes.

saami · Sep 20, 2005

random_guy said:
Yeah, us fake Christians have been reading the Bible with the unHoly Spirit, unlike the righteous LittleNipper. Feeling a little full of yourself?

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saami · Sep 20, 2005

random_guy said:
Yeah, us fake Christians have been reading the Bible with the unHoly Spirit, unlike the righteous LittleNipper. Feeling a little full of yourself?

. I love to watch a game of "Biblical Twister" played by "full elves"

saami · Sep 20, 2005

random_guy said:
Yeah, us fake Christians have been reading the Bible with the unHoly Spirit, unlike the righteous LittleNipper. Feeling a little full of yourself?

. I love to watch a game of "Biblical Twister" played by "full elves"

angelosKD · Sep 20, 2005

BananaSlug said:
First of all, it never says "snake," it's serpent. Serpents were typically represented as dragons. The serpent in the garden is generally thought to be Satan (from what I've learned from reading Genesis).

You couldn't have learned that IN Genesis - but from reading INTO Genesis

Femto · Sep 20, 2005

Edx said:
Sure, its so "clear" no one is in any doubt as to what the original author intended.... riiiight.

Only to someone uneducated about the Bible.

Femto · Sep 20, 2005

z3ro said:
Not always(hell, not even often) but of all the books genesis is certainly the most metaphorical(or rather, it makes the most sense when taken metaphorically).

You certainly said that right. Just so we're on the same understanding of each other. I agree with you that it's a metaphor.

Ilovecartoons · Sep 20, 2005

z3ro said:
I have a question for you. Why don't snakes eat dust? It clearly says in Genesis that snakes are cursed, and that they will eat dust in the future. Yet, modern snakes clearly do not eat dust. Why is that?

Now, of course, you could argue that the authors were using figurative language, but why all of a sudden do we allow the scripture to not mean what it says? It clearly says snakes will eat dust. Not mice, not rabbits, but dust. If six days must be six days(it being so clearly stated) why do snakes not eat dust(it being equally clearly stated)?

Actually, when they sniff the air with their tongue, dust sometimes gets onto their tongue. Therefore, the Bible was correct in that perspective.

BananaSlug · Sep 20, 2005

angelosKD said:
You couldn't have learned that IN Genesis - but from reading INTO Genesis

My mistake. That is what I meant of course.

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