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I don’t believe Jesus intended for us to cut off our hands, pluck out our eyes or allow ourselves to be beaten to deathAnd you said the same for the Old. That's why I was saying that about you.
I explained that my pastors exegenesis led me to an understanding that makes sense for me.
Funny you mention that verse. My father has a schizophrenic friend who believed that verse was meant to be taken literally (as...APPARENTLY. you do too). He literally cut off his hand just above the wrist. He's in our province's most supportive mental health ward.
Poor guy. Dad still sees him weekly when he's in Edmonton.
I think that you are reading too much into it: just because Jesus said to turn the other cheek doesn’t mean that He meant that literally or only if you were not really harmed.Not be clearer about what? Letting someone beat you up or kill you and just standing there and not defending yourself? Letting someone rape your wife and not defending her? Letting someone molest your children and just forgiving them?
God also gave you a brain and he intended for you to use it. The Old Testament gives us insight into the nature of God and God has approved of defending yourself and defeating your enemies.
Mat 11:12 - And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.Did you know Jesus and many great spiritual leaders in that time used figurative language commonly?
Maybe you can find some figurative language somewhere in the new testement where Jesus tells us to beat people?
Some pexple are taking it literally evidentlyI think that you are reading too much into it: just because Jesus said to turn the other cheek doesn’t mean that He meant that literally or only if you were not really harmed.
He didn't. He was comparing the punishment of sin to the removal of limb and indicating which was worse.I don’t believe Jesus intended for us to cut off our hands, pluck out our ey
OK. So you've found a verse with the word "violence" in it. Jesus is talking about a fairly small window of time and nothing about this verse suggests partaking in violence at all; merely Describing the state of violence that men are competing.miring against heaven.Mat 11:12 - And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
I take it literally because I ha ent seen good exegenesis to back up anything else.I think that you are reading too much into it: just because Jesus said to turn the other cheek doesn’t mean that He meant that literally or only if you were not really harmed.
Well I guess all this time in Law Enforcement and Security I have been disobedient for over 30 years. I guess I should be like the Jehovah's Witnesses and refuse to serve in the military or Law Enforcement huh?I take it literally because I ha ent seen good exegenesis to back up anything else.
Why would. Hriat command us to break our love for fellow man? It's just our life. If we die we come to Christ. If we commit violence against others then what?
I mean, the Amish have been around for a good long while.
Listen. You can make as many of these comments as you like. I don't care. Fill your boots.Well I guess all this time in Law Enforcement and Security I have been disobedient for over 30 years. I guess I should be like the Jehovah's Witnesses and refuse to serve in the military or Law Enforcement huh?
This is what I used for my jobListen. You can make as many of these comments as you like. I don't care. Fill your boots.
You still haven't provided biblical justification for violence....let alone anything specifically in the new Testament.
All these side comments dont change that fact.
The right hand was for regular use but the left was used when dealing with unclean things. Striking someone as an act of accusation was done with the back of the right hand. To turn the other cheek would force the other if they continued with their accusation, to use the left hand. This would not only render the accuser unclean for the allotted time but also would render the accusation as unclean. Turning the cheek was an act of defiance and a matter of procedural self defense. Gentiles really need to look at things from the perspective of the Jews before they go running off with Gentile meanderings. Probably why so many gentiles speak out against the law.I take it literally because I ha ent seen good exegenesis to back up anything else.
Why would. Hriat command us to break our love for fellow man? It's just our life. If we die we come to Christ. If we commit violence against others then what?
I mean, the Amish have been around for a good long while.
No. No one ever died from a slap. We shouldn’t respond to disrespect. That doesn’t mean letting someone beat you to death and not defending yourself
Protestants have always struggled to make sense of the Sermon on the Mount.
I understand it as Jesus person and preaching are not two separate things, the Sermon on the Mount reflects Jesus', and by extension, God's character. There isn't some dispensation in the future where "turn the other cheek" becomes true, but today can simply be ignored.
See post 171
What's disturbing is the number of Christians who have come to dwell excessively on the possibility, imagining lurid shoot-out scenarios and arming themselves with military-style weapons.Not be clearer about what? Letting someone beat you up or kill you and just standing there and not defending yourself? Letting someone rape your wife and not defending her? Letting someone molest your children and just forgiving them?
God also gave you a brain and he intended for you to use it. The Old Testament gives us insight into the nature of God and God has approved of defending yourself and defeating your enemies.
Are Christians doing that?What's disturbing is the number of Christians who have come to dwell excessively on the possibility, imagining lurid shoot-out scenarios and arming themselves with military-style weapons.
So...American conservative Christians...What's disturbing is the number of Christians who have come to dwell excessively on the possibility, imagining lurid shoot-out scenarios and arming themselves with military-style weapons.
Great. OK.The right hand was for regular use but the left was used when dealing with unclean things. Striking someone as an act of accusation was done with the back of the right hand. To turn the other cheek would force the other if they continued with their accusation, to use the left hand. This would not only render the accuser unclean for the allotted time but also would render the accusation as unclean. Turning the cheek was an act of defiance and a matter of procedural self defense. Gentiles really need to look at things from the perspective of the Jews before they go running off with Gentile meanderings. Probably why so many gentiles speak out against the law.
Thanks @timothyu
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