Besides it being illegal...

Glas Ridire · Feb 16, 2012

JustMeSee said:
I have never met a long time pot smoker who ever tried meth. Correlation does not mean causation.

Some people are going to let their emmotions get in the way of the facts in response to your post . . .. just a forewarning

As for me, on this issue, I'd like to see it legalized, so in a few decades the decendants of Pot Gangsters can be just as poor as me . .. a decendant of Moonshine/ Gambling / Extortion / Etc .. . . gangsters just like me. Do I miss having a chinchilla coat and fedora like my gangster great uncle? Nah . .. I mean, the money would be nice but . . . I have made a good life outta legit enterprise. Repeal of prohibition may have robbed my family of a certain dynasty, but it wasn't a good one to embrace. Pot gangsters could do the same and fair well.

Verv · Feb 16, 2012

I have smoked marijuana several times in my life. Most out of curiosity -- all spread out over the period of the last 10-15 years; I average probably once a year.

Marijuana by itself does not produce an intoxicating state that is in any way worse than being drunk off of alcohol.

When people drink alcohol, it often leads to a lot of crimes. Many crimes are primarily perpetrated by those who are drunk off of alcohol.

If alcohol is legal it makes no sense than marijuana is not.

... And I'm so conservative my posts make most people's eyes hurt, so take it from me.

fuji · Feb 16, 2012

Verv said:
When people drink alcohol, it often leads to a lot of crimes. Many crimes are primarily perpetrated by those who are drunk off of alcohol.

If alcohol is legal it makes no sense than marijuana is not.

I totally agree with you.

I have heard a lot of stories about a husband getting too drunk and coming home and beating their wife, but I have never heard a story about a man getting too high off marijuana alone and coming home and beating his wife.

When I smoke it, it is usually because I had a hard day and I want to relax in the evening and watch a movie. For me it takes away that constant stress and worrying that I do all day long and relaxes my whole body. It is also way safer than any prescription drug that I have ever taken.

underpressure · Feb 16, 2012

Strange isn't it? Prohibition of alcohol created a boom for organised crime in the 20s. So which corrupt politicians thought it would be a good idea to prohibit other drugs? The only people I can see that it benefits, is the people who sell it and don't get caught, the people at the top of the hierarchy.

Why does it take us humans so long to learn from our mistakes, and why do we keep repeating them? It's very frustrating.

It's about time that people in all nations stood up and said,
"enough is enough, I will not stand by and let drug barons and organised criminals grossly profit while my legal rights to do what I want with my own body are taken away. You can shove your 'protecting your health' propaganda up where the sun don't shine"

keith99 · Feb 16, 2012

ivebeenshown said:
Seriously?

It's pretty well documented that marijuana has effects on the user's cognitive processes while they are under the influence of it. I said nothing at all about destructive personalities. There is a reason that high people are portrayed as slow, silly, and generally ruh-tarded.

Yea, because some people need a class of people to look down on and are perfectly willing to ignore clear evidence to create such a class of people.

fuji · Feb 16, 2012

underpressure said:
Why does it take us humans so long to learn from our mistakes, and why do we keep repeating them? It's very frustrating.

Because it is very hard to break social stigmas.

I mean look at apartment buildings, many don't have a 13th floor because people believe it is cursed?

Something else that I think no one yet has brought up is the usefulness of hemp. The Many Uses of Hemp

athenken · Feb 16, 2012

fuji said:
Because it is very hard to break social stigmas.

I mean look at apartment buildings, many don't have a 13th floor because people believe it is cursed?

Something else that I think no one yet has brought up is the usefulness of hemp. The Many Uses of Hemp

Absolutely, one of the biggest historical uses for hemp was rope used in rigging ships. It is much stronger than cotton.

mantelofaprophet · Feb 16, 2012

fuji said:
What are the main reasons a lot of Christians are against marijuana? And do you feel it is ethically wrong as a Christian to support it's legalization?

Before you answer, let me give you some facts...

Many studies have proven that Marijuana has a way weaker withdrawal and far less addictive properties when compared to many "legal" drugs like caffeine and alcohol. So before someone says, "it is addictive and you shouldnt do it", please make sure you have told all the coffee drinkers in the world that they are harming themselves with addiction first, thank you.

Addictive Properties of Popular Drugs | Drug War Facts

Next, I have found zero and I mean "ZERO" cases of anyone dying from a marijuana O.D or from lung cancer caused from smoking marijuana exclusively. On top of that I have found no cases of anyone suffering permanent long-term brain damage from marijuana use.

What I have found is that it is a very effective medicine for treating muscle pain, cerebral palsy, insomnia, appetite in cancer victims, ADHD/ADD, epilepsy and the list goes on.

So, if marijuana was not illegal, do you think most Christians would accept it the same way most accept daily coffee drinkers?

My sense is that it will never be legal because of the bad social stigma attached to it from the media and government, though the facts about this "drug" are far less dangerous than most legal drugs we have today.

personally I don't find it much different than alcohol, but what I do find different is most folks that drink alcohol in moderation don't move on to crack cocaine, and methamphetimine, as many pot smokers do (myself as an example)

quite honestly they will never put an end to drug use, until they can address the real issues in peoples lives for why they are trying to medicate themselves, or to escape the things they face, or sheer boredom

what ever drug they ban, more will be discovered or created to take there place. I think the most interesting drug banned is a root found in Africa, one dose of this drug and most drug addicts are set free from all drug addiction, I think its called ibogaine, you can u-tube it for testimonials

Interesting enough this drug is also banned, we wouldn't want big pharmacuitical companies to nolonger need to produce many of their drug substitutes such as methadone for heroin addicts, and lets face it what would the CIA be without their cocaine sales

fuji · Feb 16, 2012

mantelofaprophet said:
personally I don't find it much different than alcohol, but what I do find different is most folks that drink alcohol in moderation don't move on to crack cocaine, and methamphetimine, as many pot smokers do (myself as an example)

quite honestly they will never put an end to drug use, until they can address the real issues in peoples lives for why they are trying to medicate themselves, or to escape the things they face, or sheer boredom

what ever drug they ban, more will be discovered or created to take there place. I think the most interesting drug banned is a root found in Africa, one dose of this drug and most drug addicts are set free from all drug addiction, I think its called ibogaine, you can u-tube it for testimonials

Interesting enough this drug is also banned, we wouldn't want big pharmacuitical companies to nolonger need to produce many of their drug substitutes such as methadone for heroin addicts, and lets face it what would the CIA be without their cocaine sales

I agree with some of your points and that African root sounds interesting, I will check it out.

One point that gets repeated a lot is blaming marijuana for peoples already destructive personalities and how it leads to harder drugs. I have yet to meet a morphine or percocet/oxycodone abuser that didnt try Tylenol beforehand.

For me personally I do use marijuana to medicate myself, escape the day and for sheer boredom. But I also watch t.v to escape the day and for sheer boredom, or play video games or go on walks or work on my place, etc.

Also if anyone doesnt know a lot about marijuana there are two main strains called Sativa and Indica. Indica is the more familiar strain that gives the relaxed, stony, sleepy feeling. Sativa on the other hand is a more uplifting high that usually increases energy and has very little of the indica high effects. I often find myself working out or going for runs after using sativa type strains. For me personally I find using a sativa strain a lot healthier and safer than say a energy drink.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Feb 16, 2012

Autumnleaf said:
I've never met a meth addict who didn't try marijuana first.

I got addicted to pills and alcohol,before I ever tried marijuana.Marijuana didn't make me addicted to anything.So I really don't by that pot the thing,that would lead people to other drug.

talkerfly · Feb 16, 2012

Government does not like losing power. Remember when alcohol was illegal and all the problems it caused? There is simply no reason to ban any recreational drug.

Clearly, recreational drugs are going to be available whether you like it or not. What is the purpose of making this market illegitimate rather than one that is subject to regulations and taxes like everyone else (including the obvious ones, alcohol and tobacco)?

What does this have to do with Christianity? I smoke weed almost every day and I'm a Christian. The stuff is a great alternative to liquor.

mantelofaprophet · Feb 17, 2012

talkerfly said:
Government does not like losing power. Remember when alcohol was illegal and all the problems it caused? There is simply no reason to ban any recreational drug.

Clearly, recreational drugs are going to be available whether you like it or not. What is the purpose of making this market illegitimate rather than one that is subject to regulations and taxes like everyone else (including the obvious ones, alcohol and tobacco)?

What does this have to do with Christianity? I smoke weed almost every day and I'm a Christian. The stuff is a great alternative to liquor.

so what would be the difference between you and a person who gets drunk everyday, we see from scripture that the drunkard will not inherit salvation, does that worry you a little bit,

I mean surely a drink of wine here and there is not a sin, but we see dependence (addiction) to be what the bible calls sin, not saying a joint here and there would be a sin either but if your like the drunkard who needs it to survive......well......good luck!

fuji · Feb 17, 2012

mantelofaprophet said:
so what would be the difference between you and a person who gets drunk everyday, we see from scripture that the drunkard will not inherit salvation, does that worry you a little bit,

I lol and got worried after I read this. Mixing scripture is very dangerous as a Christian. Did you really just say being drunk and being high are one of the same? Is it ok to make generalizations like that about scripture?

That is like me saying to an Orthodox Jew, "hey, you cant eat chicken or beef, it is the same as eating pork!"

mantelofaprophet said:
I mean surely a drink of wine here and there is not a sin, but we see dependence (addiction) to be what the bible calls sin, not saying a joint here and there would be a sin either but if your like the drunkard who needs it to survive......well......good luck!

So are you saying you are addiction free in your own life, before you take out your brothers speck of dust? Can you honestly say you cannot go a day without something in your life? T.v, video games, sugary of unhealthy foods, coffee, anything that makes you feel good that isnt beneficial? Also if you dont, do you go around to every Christian at church and judge them because they cant go a day without coffee?

Drug War Myth #726,002: Marijuana Is More Addictive Than Caffeine

And for the record many medical studies have shown caffeine to be more addictive than marijuana, oh and there a more caffeine related deaths each year than marijana related deaths too.

Better start judging!

Autumnleaf · Feb 17, 2012

JustMeSee said:
I have never met a long time pot smoker who ever tried meth. Correlation does not mean causation.

That makes sense. If pot does it for you then why move on. If it sort of does but your personality wants 'something more' then onward you go.

Correlation implies a relationship.

I won't deny that some people can handle pot, alcohol and maybe even crank or meth. The problem is a certain percentage will move on from marijuana to these harder ones and they will become addicts with all the nastyness to themselves and society that entails. Maybe the right response to that is, 'too bad for them, that's not my problem'. Maybe the right response is to outlaw drugs. I don't know.

The other side of the coin is drug cartels that kill people, especially south of the US border. Would legalizing marijuana so Merck or Novartis get your drug money make it all better? I'm sure Merck and Novartis would be happy if that happened.

mantelofaprophet · Feb 17, 2012

fuji said:
I lol and got worried after I read this. Mixing scripture is very dangerous as a Christian. Did you really just say being drunk and being high are one of the same? Is it ok to make generalizations like that about scripture?

That is like me saying to an Orthodox Jew, "hey, you cant eat chicken or beef, it is the same as eating pork!"

So are you saying you are addiction free in your own life, before you take out your brothers speck of dust? Can you honestly say you cannot go a day without something in your life? T.v, video games, sugary of unhealthy foods, coffee, anything that makes you feel good that isnt beneficial? Also if you dont, do you go around to every Christian at church and judge them because they cant go a day without coffee?

Drug War Myth #726,002: Marijuana Is More Addictive Than Caffeine

And for the record many medical studies have shown caffeine to be more addictive than marijuana, oh and there a more caffeine related deaths each year than marijana related deaths too.

Better start judging!

Wow! bit touchy are we, smoke your dope dude! I don't know what your big deal is, get up on the wrong side of the bong today or what?

disciple2011 · Feb 17, 2012

fuji said:
What are the main reasons a lot of Christians are against marijuana? And do you feel it is ethically wrong as a Christian to support it's legalization?

Before you answer, let me give you some facts...

Many studies have proven that Marijuana has a way weaker withdrawal and far less addictive properties when compared to many "legal" drugs like caffeine and alcohol. So before someone says, "it is addictive and you shouldnt do it", please make sure you have told all the coffee drinkers in the world that they are harming themselves with addiction first, thank you.

Addictive Properties of Popular Drugs | Drug War Facts

Next, I have found zero and I mean "ZERO" cases of anyone dying from a marijuana O.D or from lung cancer caused from smoking marijuana exclusively. On top of that I have found no cases of anyone suffering permanent long-term brain damage from marijuana use.

What I have found is that it is a very effective medicine for treating muscle pain, cerebral palsy, insomnia, appetite in cancer victims, ADHD/ADD, epilepsy and the list goes on.

So, if marijuana was not illegal, do you think most Christians would accept it the same way most accept daily coffee drinkers?

My sense is that it will never be legal because of the bad social stigma attached to it from the media and government, though the facts about this "drug" are far less dangerous than most legal drugs we have today.

I would be all for pot IF it was used for medical purposes and not as entertainment.

But as the majority of pot smokers have NO medical condition to be alleviated by it. I am against its legalisation for amusement.

Regulate it, get a doctor's note and get it at your local pharmacy in an amber coloured bottle.

disciple2011 · Feb 17, 2012

Autumnleaf said:
I've never met a meth addict who didn't try marijuana first.

I've never met a meth addict, coke addict, heroin addict or pot addict that did not smoke and/or drink.

I think it is a clear link that addictive behaviour means further addiction.

acropolis · Feb 17, 2012

disciple2011 said:
I would be all for pot IF it was used for medical purposes and not as entertainment.

Why on earth should pot be considered bad if it's used for entertainment? Why, for that matter, should any form of entertainment that carried minimal risks be considered bad?

disciple2011 · Feb 17, 2012

xfreakazoidx said:
One peson told me God made everything on this earth for us to use. So therefor weed was ok to use. It did make me think but none the less I don't agree it should be used. Maybe in extreme cases like cancer patients...etc.

Many users have shown me studies that show its not as bad as people claim. But at the same time many non users show me oppisite studies. People should see who exactly is doing these studies. Its like when the ciggerate companis have studies that shows cigs aren't that bad...oh and the study is paid for BY the cig company. lol

I don't believe its a sin to smoke weed, but I believe it can lead to sinful things. Just like kissing can lead to sex. You have to avoid things that are tempting. More so if you know you are weaker to such things.

God also made mistletoe.

Its only use besides hanging for Xmas?

Making poison to kill someone.

So God wants you to poison people?

just because it is there or you have the power to do something, does not give you the right to do it.

Simple
Basic
Logic

disciple2011 · Feb 17, 2012

fuji said:
Great point, I was just about to post this!

Also to add on the "gateway" theory, I have to say I blame my Mom for giving me breast milk, it was a gateway to alcohol!

Seriously though, marijuana is possibly one of the safest things you can put in your body. The deaths compared to any other "legal" drug is only a very small fraction.

It is true, it can make you feel good and that people do become addicts, but that is like saying McDonalds makes you feel good! And people actually get to addicted fatty foods(a lot actually), so should we start making McDonalds illegal? Or what about the high you get from caffeine? Not to mention numerous studies show that caffeine is far more addictive and damaging to the body than marijuana?

But most people can't see the truth behind the social stigma attached to marijuana.

Well of course we should let people do whatever they like.

So long as it does not injure or cause others to suffer right?

Right?

Besides it being illegal...

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