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I can only speak for myself, but I reject baptismal regeneration because there is no Scriptural support for it. It is clear in the Word that regeneration is an act of the Holy Spirit, i.e. baptism by the Holy Spirit is regeneration. The sacrament of baptism is like all other sacraments: a tenet of the Christian religion. Baptism is not a requirement for justification.TheologiaCrucis said:My question is quite simple. I only have two problems with Calvinism. One of them is the rejection of baptismal regeneration and the other is the dreaded "L." I am currently a Lutheran (as seen by the icon) but I have recently become fascinated with Calvinism. At first it seemed utterly ridiculous to me, but it seems to be making more and more sense as I study. I have many links and sites about limited atonement, but could someone please explain why baptismal regeneration is not accepted by Calvinists? Scriptural support would be great. Actually, there is one more question. What is the difference between "Calvinist" and "Reformed?" I have it said that one is Calvinist but not Reformed so I figure they must be different. Thanks for your help and God Bless!!!!
TheologiaCrucis said:My question is quite simple. I only have two problems with Calvinism. One of them is the rejection of baptismal regeneration and the other is the dreaded "L." I am currently a Lutheran (as seen by the icon) but I have recently become fascinated with Calvinism. At first it seemed utterly ridiculous to me, but it seems to be making more and more sense as I study. I have many links and sites about limited atonement, but could someone please explain why baptismal regeneration is not accepted by Calvinists? Scriptural support would be great. Actually, there is one more question. What is the difference between "Calvinist" and "Reformed?" I have it said that one is Calvinist but not Reformed so I figure they must be different. Thanks for your help and God Bless!!!!
TheologiaCrucis said:Actually, there is one more question. What is the difference between "Calvinist" and "Reformed?" I have it said that one is Calvinist but not Reformed so I figure they must be different. Thanks for your help and God Bless!!!!
Tertiumquid said:I figured i'd tackle the easy question first.
Couldn't have said it better myself.StAnselm said:Well, it gets very complicated. For one thing, many Reformed folks don't like their belief system to be named after a sinful human being, and so abandoned the name "Calvinism". Indeed, it is significant, I think, that unlike Luther, Calvin's name never was attached to *churches* - except the Calvinistic Methodists in Wales.
But the most difficult thing in all this, is that the words are used in narrower and wider senses. For example, "Reformed" is sometimes used to mean "adhering to the 5 points" and "Calvinist" refers to acceptance of what I would consider its wider implications - infant baptism, covenant theology, a particular "world-and-life-view" etc.
Big problem, though - often the words are switched, and Calvinist refers to the 5 points, while Reformed means the larger theological (and life) position.
And then you have the natural watering-down of the terms over time, as evident in TertiumQuid's experiences.
Praise God! I thank the Lord for his wonderous grace and mercy that he has bestowed upon you, James. It is so blessed to be given this understanding. With time you will come to know just how graciously blessed and favored you are. While God has no favorites according to election, he certainly "favors" others with bountiful understanding--understanding that surpasses others. Those of the highest favor are counted among the Reformed and I praise and glorify God that he has revealed this to you. The elect are few among many, and we Reformed are few among the many elect. What an amazing gift that has been given us to be few among many among few. The most magnificent of it all is that God alone receives the glory, having enabled his children to receive the true doctrine of the Word. No many can claim credit for arriving at Reformed Theology on his own understanding--it is God's work alone and God's glory alone.TheologiaCrucis said:After much careful study and prayer, I truly truly feel that God is leading me to Calvinism. My issues with baptismal regeneration have cleared up as well as my problems with limited atonement. I would say that I am now a full 5-point Calvinist!I thank the Lord so much for making this all so clear in my head now. I think it kind of took me an extra long time since I was raised in a very devout Lutheran church and school. I understand now that Lutheranism does teach many things that are true, but they also hold to many doctrines that are simply not Biblical.
I thank you all so much for your help and for taking time out of your lives to help me see the truth. That being said -- I am going to need to look for a new church to attend. I will take a look at the URC, but I have been investigating the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. They seem like a good fit from what I have seen so far, but I am not sure yet. Can anyone else recommend some doctrinally strong churches?
God Bless,
James
TheologiaCrucis said:After much careful study and prayer, I truly truly feel that God is leading me to Calvinism.
StAnselm said:But the most difficult thing in all this, is that the words are used in narrower and wider senses. For example, "Reformed" is sometimes used to mean "adhering to the 5 points" and "Calvinist" refers to acceptance of what I would consider its wider implications - infant baptism, covenant theology, a particular "world-and-life-view" etc.
Big problem, though - often the words are switched, and Calvinist refers to the 5 points, while Reformed means the larger theological (and life) position.
Jon_ said:My best recommendation is to look for a church that upholds the traditionally Reformed subordinate doctrines. I would look for a church that professes the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Belgic Confession, the Canons of Dordt (Dort), the Helvetic Confession, the Heidelberg Catechism, etc. These are all strong works in the Reformed tradition. They are best known as subordinate doctrines because, of course, as Reformers, we derive our doctrines from the Word, not from institutions of men. The value these creeds have is in their excellent explanations and summaries of biblical doctrine. We value them because we hold what they say to be true and correct to what the Bible says. If that were not true, their value as doctrinal confessions would be nothing.
Tertiumquid said:There could be, extremely mild Calvinists (Unitarians?), or mild moderate Calvinists, or extreme mild moderate Calvinists.
Well, if people are leaving the denomination, that will resolve the internal dispute. Personally, I don't give an awful lot of credibility to the Trinity Foundation.ElderOne said:Be careful of the OP's as they are having an internal dispute, as are other Presbyterian groups.
Has there been a discussion of this yet, in SR? If not, I would like to talk about it, but in another thread. Though I think the issue in the OPC concerns the so-called "Federal Vision theology", which is quite distinct.which is heresy
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