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Attack on Sovereignty (imho)

Missionary Joshua

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I found this quote on an Arminian board and thought it might spark some good conversation - perhaps around how to address such a belief
"...um, make that a Red Card! Your out of the Game!"
 
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I flat out denied God. Yes, I did follow him whole heatedly before. I really was a follower of Christ then. Yes, I let my environment take control which eventually led me to slowly slip away from God. Yes, later I missed being with God and returned, when I realized how empty I had become with out him. I believe I was separated from God. I can't think of any reason why anyone could consider me a Christian at that point. If so... then how? I really was a believer prior but completely lost control thereafter. I was an unrepentive sinner. Yet someone going by the rules of Calvinism would claim that I really wasn't a believer before. I guess I was just faking. I must have been pretty good because I even fooled myself. Or perhaps I was still worthy of salvation as I consistently ignored God and partook willingly in self devastating sin without regret. Who are we to say that if somewhere in the Bible or elsewhere for that matter it talks about someone falling from Grace, that they never were real believers in the first place? Are the chosen also judges of faith? I think believing that somehow you are spiritually invincible once you except Christ is foolish. I think once you experience Christ it is difficult to allow yourself to separate from him... but not impossible. So I am sorry for getting long winded, but when God calls for everyone to repent, (Acts 17:30), and Jesus weeps over Jerusalem says things like "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." Matthew 23:37: I can't understand why A.) God would make salvation so complicated. and B.) Why he would make it impossible for us to do on our own. Just doesn't make sense.
 
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We all deserve His wrath! However, in His great mercy He saved some.
Knowing how sinful we are and how He turned us to Himself causes us to humble ourself before Him in greatest gratitude and to live to please Him alone!
How complicated is that? I praise Him forever and am so thankful for His salvation!
 
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