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As it turns out this story about PP selling body parts is nothing but an anti-choicer canard and here's the proof, courtesy of Tim H on CARM:
I have to ask IF your cause if "just", then WHY does your lot have to tell lies like this one (some other are really outrageous ones about Margaret Sanger, but that's another SET of posts) to sell it?
The public watchdog organization Media Matters has come out condemning the anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress for their deceptive video about Planned Parenthood.
Media Calls Out Deceptively Edited Video Claiming To Show Planned Parenthood "Selling Aborted Baby Parts"
The New York Times and the Guardian also condemn the fraudulent video.
None of this will matter to the right-wing conservatives who will continue to propagate the lies about PP long after the video story dies out.
This is also very telling about just how dishonest the CMP anti-abortion group is.
This is from the full transcript. The "actor" playing a doctor tries to lure Nucatola into a discussion of selling the fetal tissues for profit. In no uncertain terms she tells him that is not acceptable.
See P.34 of full transcript.
Of course CMP cut out this portion which shows their claims to be 100% lies.
Here you go again with the rhetoric. over and over like a broken record and all because it doesn't leave you with the worm and fuzzy feel of being cuddled in your own security blanket. Sorry for the sarcasm, but this is getting rather pathetic.There is no special in the Darwinist system. We're just a collection of chemicals randomly connected for survival purposes in that worldview.
The alternative is that you're nothing more than a sack of chemicals.
Did you read the article?Is that the "quiver-full" movement?
People have been killing infants and children for millennium. They have left them out to die in the cold of night and have killed them in the womb by striking the mother on purpose. This started long before Darwin was even born and probably before Jesus ever came into the known history of man.people , at times , make choices they are empowered to make by the choices that others in the past made to redefine what is considered to be good ,then shaping laws around those chosen definitions .So the world view of evolution and the chosen premise of disbelieving in God Does effect why later choices are made and things happen .Issues such as abortion are considered socially unacceptable in all cultures and societies . proven by the fact that murdering ones own baby has never caused folks to run to your door with flowers and praise you for it.only point and Whisper .even today with it being fully legal for the 100million who commit it there are but few who publicly state they did so -which says more then enough in itself .
but world views redefined "laws" thus empowering people to do what was one socially unacceptable .
the world view upon which we establish a law allowing a certain thing has full consequence no mater which way you look at it .
If it's just cold emotion, our love for God is just cold emotion produced for the survival of the species.
Yes, physically.
So, in science...in Darwinism (if that's the right term), is there any consensus as to the importance of life?
Ah, just Christians being Christians.
Here you go again with the rhetoric. over and over like a broken record and all because it doesn't leave you with the worm and fuzzy feel of being cuddled in your own security blanket. Sorry for the sarcasm, but this is getting rather pathetic.
I don't believe in Darwinism any more than I believe in Creationism. It's the people who stand around screaming and yelling out ridiculous accusations that have distanced me from both camps. I simply don't know where the species came from and I'm open to discuss both theories with the right people.
You are definably not on my list of people I would talk to about creationism because you are too focused on giving your own examples against one view than you are of exalting your own. This is what politicians do when they want to get elected and have nothing of value to work with.
I value productivity and positivity as a trait, not finger pointing and the blame game and that is why I even responded to this thread. You've displayed none of that in any portion of this and I wish you well with your ranting and raving. I'm out!
Physically? As in... testable with physics? What do you mean when you say there's more to us, physically, than a bag of chemicals?
And this is an example of Christianity. I think not!Conversely, it's pathetic to believe that one has no value other than as a bag of chemicals.
Well, they came from somewhere.
Then don't. Stop responding to me.
Bye.
And this is an example of Christianity. I think not!
We're purposely created, not just a bag of chemicals.
Well, that's strange. The head of Planned Parenthood apparently thinks there's something to the issue......
"Planned Parenthood’s president apologized Thursday for comments made by the group’s medical research director in a secretly recorded conversation about collecting fetal body parts, as outrage over the graphic video mounted on Capitol Hill where lawmakers are launching several investigations.
Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, defended the organization’s practices and maintained the group does not illegally sell fetal tissue. But, in a video statement, she acknowledged one of their staff members spoke in a way that does not “reflect” the “compassionate care that we provide.”
“This is unacceptable, and I personally apologize for the staff member's tone and statements,” Richards said. "
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ogizes-for-officials-fetal-organ-comments-as/
Secondly, according to statistics posted by others in these threads, the baby (notice I did not dehumanize the child by calling it an "embryo", a "zygote", a "fetus", or even the rather vague term I've heard all too often-"products of conception")
The FACT remains that this whole "issue" is a non-issue because the so-called video is nothing but a doctored, deceitful LIE and the evidence is HERE in my post that you ran away from (making her comments irrelevant!)
You've also avoided my question as to WHY anti-choicers would ever need to lie/misrepresent their opponents like this IF their cause is actually "on the side of the angels" (true/just)?
These two things are not in conflict. However, you said that there was physically more to us than chemicals. Tell us about that.
Aw. The term "atheistic creationism" kinda makes me nostalgic for the summer of 2014, haha. It brings me back to one of my first posts on here that I wrote when I was a blissfully naive, 16-year-old little internet forum newbie.
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