Atheism (2)

Gadarene · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
prove athiests have morals.

Well, they aren't systematically all out raping and pillaging like Christians seem to think they should be. Many of them live in similar law-abiding fashion to most Christians.

And yet again, because you keep dodging this point - this has nothing to do with the matter of the validity of atheism.

prove they were not going to play it.

Re-read your own source. They said it wasn't going to be played at the festival.

SeraphimsCherub · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
evidence of a changed life? Like this?

Prominent atheist blogger converts to Catholicism – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

Well now i pray even more that GOD will deliver her from Catholicism. I guess the "visual" rituals helps her faith. She may have been better off as an atheist.

Gadarene · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
evidence of a changed life? Like this?http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/22/prominent-atheist-blogger-converts-to-catholicism/

So now there is evidence for God? I thought that destroyed faith?

Do make up your mind, won't you.

createdtoworship · Jul 6, 2012

Gadarene said:
Well, they aren't systematically all out raping and pillaging like Christians seem to think they should be. Many of them live in similar law-abiding fashion to most Christians.

And yet again, because you keep dodging this point - this has nothing to do with the matter of the validity of atheism.

and also athiest don't want to go to jail, but that doesn't mean that they have morals

Re-read your own source. They said it wasn't going to be played at the festival.

so if aiden is not going to play the song, then why not? What they got to hide? I mean he obviously defended the church burnings in the video right the face of fox news. Who else he need to hide from?

Gadarene · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
and also athiest don't want to go to jail, but that doesn't mean that they have morals

Same applies to Christians. So what?

so if aiden is not going to play the song, then why not? What they got to hide? I mean he obviously defended the church burnings in the video right the face of fox news. Who else he need to hide from?

Who says they're hiding? They cited that they have the right to play the song, yes. I'm sure you're not disputing the right to freedom of speech. It is simply the case that they didn't plan on playing the song at any point.

You are evidently trying to make all atheists look bad using this one case (that isn't even particularly solid).

createdtoworship · Jul 6, 2012

Gadarene said:
You are evidently trying to make all atheists look bad using this one case (that isn't even particularly solid).

straw man! By the act of strawmanning me!

Gadarene · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
straw man! By the act of strawmanning me!

Not at all. You claimed the Fort Bragg event was typically atheist - it isn't - and it's something you disapprove of. You also suggested that atheists should be doing whatever they wanted and if they only behave it's only to avoid negative consequences like jail.

Typical anti-atheist smears.

createdtoworship · Jul 6, 2012

Gadarene said:
Not at all. You claimed the Fort Bragg event was typically atheist - it isn't - and it's something you disapprove of. You also suggested that atheists should be doing whatever they wanted and if they only behave it's only to avoid negative consequences like jail.

Typical anti-atheist smears.

yeah! and!

you smear me, I smear you.....

and now we are a pb and J sandwich

Gadarene · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
yeah! and!

you smear me, I smear you.....

Because that makes it ok for you to do the same? You are aware that Christ spent quite a bit of his time condemning hypocrisy, right?

And where did I smear you?

createdtoworship · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
this is your typical athiest event huh? nice and loving.

hey oh yeah and they said this about the video, it was on the website of the event:

"They are featured in a video on the Rocky Beyond Belief website that includes images of burning churches and bloody crosses."

Church-Burning Video Used to Promote Atheist Event at Ft. Bragg | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Gadarene · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
hey oh yeah and they said this about the video, it was on the website of the event:

"They are featured in a video on the “Rocky Beyond Belief” website that includes images of burning churches and bloody crosses."

Church-Burning Video Used to Promote Atheist Event at Ft. Bragg | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

This still does not change the fact that the song was not going to be played.

And again - this does not do anything to show that event is typical for an atheist event, as your smear is claiming.

And further - this still has nothing to do with whether or not atheism is right.

But by all means, keep making the same mistakes.

ToddNotTodd · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
hey oh yeah and they said this about the video, it was on the website of the event:

"They are featured in a video on the Rocky Beyond Belief website that includes images of burning churches and bloody crosses."

Church-Burning Video Used to Promote Atheist Event at Ft. Bragg | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Three words:

Westboro Baptist Church

Also, and this has been pointed out before, Christians murder abortion doctors. Christian church leaders sexually abuse minors.

And you're complaining about a video?

Priceless...

Elioenai26 · Jul 6, 2012

Gadarene said:
Except to many Christians God already has proven himself. They claim to have direct experience of him.

And again, you have missed the point. One can believe in the existence of God and still choose not to follow him. The two are separate, you are insisting rather implausibly that they are the same thing.

The problem here is not there being evidence - as current Christians already consider there to be evidence to justify belief. The problem here is the evasion of Christians when confronted with the suggestion that the evidence is inadequate for justifying belief.

Christ never said that if a person was given enough evidence that they would necessarily believe in Him. The Bible does not teach this, nor do Christians maintain this view.

Elioenai26 · Jul 6, 2012

ToddNotTodd said:
Three words:

Westboro Baptist Church

Also, and this has been pointed out before, Christians murder abortion doctors. Christian church leaders sexually abuse minors.

And you're complaining about a video?

Priceless...

You seem to be equating followers of Jesus with those who designate themselves as "Christians". The two are not synonomous.

A follower of Jesus Christ is going to live as He lived while in the world.

A person who claims they are a Christian and does not keep His commandments is a liar.

Gadarene · Jul 6, 2012

Elioenai26 said:
Christ never said that if a person was given enough evidence that they would necessarily believe in Him. The Bible does not teach this, nor do Christians maintain this view.

Irrelevant. The inconsistency in approach still remains unanswered.

Gadarene · Jul 6, 2012

Elioenai26 said:
You seem to be equating followers of Jesus with those who designate themselves as "Christians". The two are not synonomous.

A follower of Jesus Christ is going to live as He lived while in the world.

A person who claims they are a Christian and does not keep His commandments is a liar.

How do you your personal interpretation is the right one and theirs is wrong?

Incidentally, notice how atheists have not played the no true Scotsman fallacy while the Christians have. You can expect that level of honesty from an atheist at least.

Dave Ellis · Jul 6, 2012

SeraphimsCherub said:
No...our sin and the consiquences of sin is the only thing to blame for that. Yet ULTIMATELY...satan is nothing but a little puppet on GOD'S strings. GOD'S ULTIMATE torture of satan,is to SAVE people who were firmly in his grasp. GOD IS LOVE,and LOVE CONQUERS ALL. If you don't understand GOD as this below,than your not understanding HIM in the correct light,which is:

1Co 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil;
1Co 13:6 rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth;
1Co 13:7 beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;
1Co 13:10 but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known.
1Co 13:13 But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

Please really read that,and think about what it says.

You even said yourself that Satan is a puppet on God's strings. Therefore if Satan controls the world, and it's full of sin as a result, it's ultimately God's responsibility for letting it get this way.

If he wanted to stop that, he could do it easily.

variant · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
Variant said:

Well, unlike you folks, I am not comfortable asserting the truth of things that make little if any sense.

We can call it a style difference.

Click to expand...

it's also called a lack of faith

Yeah, I don't go around saying things that I don't know are true.

I'm glad we understand each other and thus I have concluded my explaination of why I think you're full of it.

Dave Ellis · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
it's also called a lack of faith

Bingo!

However, that's part of where the difference between the religious and non-religious come in. Religion teaches faith is a virtue, where we completely reject that message.

Dave Ellis · Jul 6, 2012

gradyll said:
this is your typical athiest event huh? nice and loving.

There was a scene of a church burning in one bands music video.... that obviously means the entire festival is tarnished, right?

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