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well technically it is combustion but it's not combustible material. Its very dense material that was compressed to a singularity and exploded. If I have my big bang chronology correct.
First off, I don't agree that if God exists in every dimension he'd be beyond space-time.... but that's not the most important point.
The most important point is that you must DEMONSTRATE that God ACTUALLY DOES exist in every dimension.
Throwing out a random idea with a shaky foundation, and no demonstrable evidence to back it is simply wasting time.
No, it's not the only option at all. In fact, it's an incredibly implausible option.
Even the remarkably difficult scenario you listed above is far more plausible than a miracle. We know it'd be extremely difficult to pull off, and it would take an element of luck.... but at least we could demonstrate it's possible.
There is no evidence that any miracle has ever occurred, nor is there any reason to assume one ever will. Just taking a very unlikely situation and slapping the name miracle on it without evidence proves nothing.
Using your standard of evidence to assert it's a miracle, we could literally take anything we can think of, and use that as the explanation as well.
Why not claim it's the invisible seismograph pixies? As ridiculous as it sounds, there is exactly the same amount of evidence as there is for the seismograph pixies as there is for your miracle. That makes them EQUALLY plausible.
well it's about as likely that a tornado went through a junk yard and created a Boeing 747.
firstly, time is only the fourth dimension of 24 or some odd dimensions.
so one only need to be beyond the fourth dimension to be beyond time.
(see flatlanders on you tube for an illustration of dimension superiority)
secondly, Christ appeared in a closed upper room without going through the door. Again see flatlanders if you don't believe me on this. But all one need to do is be one dimension beyond the three dimensions of our universe.
included is flatland video
Dr Quantum - Flatland - YouTube
Right.
And even then this is still less likely than some god doing it.
We at least have prior knowledge of junkyards, whirlwhinds and the assembly of 747s.
We have no prior knowledge of deities.
Odds and possibilities are supposed to actually represent how often we see things occurring. A scenario that does not involve a god is much more likely than one which does, because we observe the former more often.
romans 1:20 I believe
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
here is an easier translation to read
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Assertion.
We still have no prior knowledge of deities.
Besides, weren't you bawling STRAWMAN a few pages back because apparently this baseless causation argument wasn't about the Christian god? Plenty of other theists that arent' Christians claim that theirgoddidit instead.
I am just saying that the Christian faith has the answer to your question
It's not an answer. It's not evidence. It's just more claims. And it makes no mention of causation.
Have you just abandoned the causation argument then?
nope, but you were going in circles I thought we were done with the causation argument.
You still want to get owned by this idea? Go ahead.
romans 1:20 I believe
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
here is an easier translation to read
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
"...they can clearly see his invisible qualities" - no, they can't.
I just never get why someone would think this would make sense to someone else. And it may be more parsimonious to replace 'invisible' with 'nonexistent'.
Got anything else?
No, you never seemed to grasp the fact that we have no evidence for any kind of uncaused cause - agent or naturalistic, then you seemed to think some guff about pen scratchings proved god, displaying no knowledge of how probability works.
Your bible, your problem.
gradyll said:okay how about a boeing 747 coming out of a tornado wrecked junk yard.
thats the evidence for design.
All you have to say is, there is a designer.
I will take it from there.
If God exists in every dimension (twenty something) then He would be beyond space and time and have no beginning. Tahts what I am talking about.
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