Yes, some events can be explained by causes. How does that prove the Christian god created the universe ex nihilo?
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we see causation every day, cause and effect. If you throw a pen in the air, it hits you in the head (sort of thing)
No.
This is an assertion. The only example you have given of causative agents is human beings and they have a cause themselves.
er, not really. Everything has a cause, accept agents.
Everything we have observed has a cause.
your confusing general agency to universal agency. If I throw a ball in the air, I am a general agent in the process of that ball flying. But once it starts falling I am no longer the agent. Gravity is. So I would not be an agent anymore.
your confusing general agency to universal agency. If I throw a ball in the air, I am a general agent in the process of that ball flying. But once it starts falling I am no longer the agent. Gravity is. So I would not be an agent anymore.
the only cause that doesn't have another cause is an agent, so something had to have an agent to start the cycle. Whether it was an explosion prior to the big bang or the big bang itself, or something other than the big bang. The cause had to be an agent because it's the only thing that lacks a causation.
both have causes
confusing general and universal agency
sure, but IF a signature showed up on it. Something was miraculous yes?
most likely something down the line, had to start it all. This would be an agent. unless you think an infinity of causes started it all. Which is unlikely.
I think you could tell if the pens of the seismograph were the same pen as the signature.
This isn't even really true. There are lots of events which as far as we can tell are truly random. While that may not shoot holes in some views of cause and effect, it surely speaks to the requirement that the universe be the intentional effect of an intelligent planned cause.
er, not really. Everything has a cause, accept agents.
If you know the universe was caused by the big bang, you also know the big bang was caused. Because explosions don't happen for no source of combustion.
That is the first time I have seen the instantiation of the cosmos described as an explosion needing a source of combustion.
Do you think God used a Bic lighter of sorts, or did he rub two metaphysical sticks together?
No, we do not know that the instantiation of the cosmos was caused.
If you know the universe was caused by the big bang, you also know the big bang was caused. Because explosions don't happen for no source of combustion.
Everything we know of has another cause, including agents.
Even so, your rebuttal has two problems:
1) You're making authoritative statements about what caused the Big Bang. You can't possibly know what the universe was like prior to the Big Bang, and you can't possibly know if it actually required an uncaused agent.
2) If it did require an agent, you have not shown such an agent is intelligent, all powerful or had a purpose in creating the universe
So if I shoot someone in the head, physics is responsible for killing them and I didn't cause their death? Seems like that would be the logical conclusion if your view of the world were true but no one seems to actually think that way.
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