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We have not been presented with evidence for a God.
We don't know if evidence for God exists or not. However if it does exist, until we see it we can not justifiably claim God exists.
Kinda like your stance on Leprechauns. You don't know if evidence exists or not, however since you haven't seen any, you don't hold a positive belief in the existence of Leprechauns.
That still isn't a refutation of the definition of atheism. Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods.
Again - if you want to change our minds on this, give justification for why we should believe in only your god without evidence. Or give positive evidence for the existence of a god.
You know, the positive assertion you made earlier, and for which the burden of proof is on you.
To the contrary of what?
Prove that there are no Gods' since your definition is "a lack of belief in a god or gods"
so prove it,
should be easy.
I said ""you "believe" there is no evidence for God right?"
you said "No. It´s just that it has yet to be presented to me.
You are invited to present it."
I said but no evidence has been given to the contrary
I am not claiming there are definitely no gods. I lack belief in a god or gods because there is no positive evidence for them.
I have not made any claims regarding existence so there is nothing for me to prove.
Yet again, you fail to grasp the point. Claims of existence are separate from claims of belief.
prove that there isn't any evidence for them.....
Not at all. Agnosticism/gnosticism is a claim about knowledge.so either way, you can't know.....you should be agnostic.
- I am not going to find, repeat and debunk every stupid argument for God that I've seen in the last several years of arguing against Christians. It would be an inordinately complicated task, and if you were serious about debating - which you aren't because you've been trolling this thread for pages now - you would have to do as much work to respond to each of these claims.
Alternatively - present the best evidence you have for your god, and we'll scrutinise it. If it holds up, we will change our minds. It is a far quicker task, and as you have made the positive claim of existence the burden of proof is on you. It has always been on you.
Not at all. Agnosticism/gnosticism is a claim about knowledge.
We have defined atheism in terms of a lack of belief.
Our definition makes no claim regarding existence or nonexistence.
Knowledge =/= belief.
Knowledge =/= existence claim.
Belief =/= existence claim.
And again, all you are doing here is relabelling us. This does nothing - nothing - to address the matter of the evidence for the existence of a god. It is an utter red herring.
but no evidence has been given to the contrary either.
but what about the existence for God arguments you have not heard of?
How do you have "evidence for atheism"?all I am saying is that agnostics are honest enough to know that there is no evidence for atheism.
How do you have "evidence for atheism"?
Nor has there been for Leprechauns.... But you don't accept those. Why not?
you don't
your right.
thats what I am sayin
you don't
your right.
thats what I am sayin
I don't know if leprechauns exist on the far side of you universe,
you do?
No, I don't know that, and neither do you.
The point is, since we are not aware of any evidence that shows Leprechauns exist, we can not claim a positive belief that they exist.
Do you agree with me so far?
not really, because we can't claim a negative belief either.
it makes us leprechaun agnostics.
Agnosticism is about knowledge. It has nothing to do with belief.
Just to blow your already taxed mind even further, one can be an agnostic atheist. I.e. you don't have the knowledge, and so you don't have belief.
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