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sbvera13

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Well, actually, I am not in the least bit hampered by man-made environments, as I consider them to be just as "natural" as any other place.

I envy you that ability, actually. I find it much harder to enter trance in an urban environment. This has nothing to do wit hthe environment though, and everything to do with me. The intense joy I get from the wilderness makes the process of beginning a trance much easier then anything else I could do.
 
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As a shaman, how do you believe human beings came into existence? Why do you believe yours is the best explanation of human origins?
Shamanism, being a method and not a set series of beliefs, has no required answer answer to this. I can offer a few insights into my personal beliefs though.

Recall back to the answer about the spirit worlds; separate but inseparable. The physical and spirit feed back and forth into each other; what exists in one will have a presence of some kind in the other as well. Evolution is overwhelmingly supported as the best explanation for the development of our physical forms. I believe our spiritual existence mirrors this, our souls becoming more developed as our bodies did. Both, after all, stem from the Universal (or Great Spirit, or Great Mystery... there are many names people choose to use). At it's most basic level, all matter is the same; the same atoms that make up your body were once part of a star billions of years ago. This mirrors in physical form what also happens in spiritual form; the individual soul is a portion, independent but inseparable from, of the great universal essence.
 
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You can summon all your shaman powers, and still not make me hate you...
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Thanks for the response. Clearly reality is more than 3 dimensions of space, plus time.
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This mirrors in physical form what also happens in spiritual form; the individual soul is a portion, independent but inseparable from, of the great universal essence.

Thank you for your quick response to my first post. This leads me to another couple of questions. I can kind of guess at them from your previous response, but I want to be sure I understand: Do you believe a human ceases to exist at death? If not, what do you believe happens to their soul/spirit when they die?
 
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As a shaman, how do you believe human beings came into existence? Why do you believe yours is the best explanation of human origins?
I don't have any "special" explanation for human origins. I consider that to be the domain of science, more specifically evolutionary biology.
Besides, the difference between us and other life forms is one of degrees, not of essences.
 
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Besides, the difference between us and other life forms is one of degrees, not of essences.
This is a perfect, concise wording for a concept I often have trouble explaining. Thank you.

I can kind of guess at them from your previous response, but I want to be sure I understand: Do you believe a human ceases to exist at death? If not, what do you believe happens to their soul/spirit when they die?

Once again, just for emphasis, these are my personal beliefs. I came to them because of my experience with the shamanic method; another shaman may hold completely different ideas.

I believe that our soul reunites with the greater "Human Spirit," or oversoul, ("aumakua" as it is called by the Hawaiian shamans I learned from) that it originally came from. At birth, our soul splits off of this greater essence and becomes individual. At death, it returns. Another birth may draw off a portion of what is now my soul, but never all of it at once. Thus the soul, or essence, lives on, but not in the form of what we usualyl think of as "a person". It's kind of analagous to dipping a cup of water from a barrel, then puring it back into the same barrel sometime later.
 
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Once again, just for emphasis, these are my personal beliefs. I came to them because of my experience with the shamanic method; another shaman may hold completely different ideas.

I understand that there is much diversity within shamanism, and you can only give me your take. That's fine with me. Thank you for the lucid explanation and example.

I am also wondering about how (or if) you come to some kind of understanding of morals/ethics through this discipline (and if not through this discipline, how in general). Are people generally good or bad, and is there such a thing as a moral wrong (like what others might call "sin")? If there is such a thing, are there consequences?
 
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Is shamanism even a "religion"? Its seem to me to be a component of many different archaic religions.
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Perhaps shaman is to archaic religions as priest is to contemporary religions.
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So, assuming that makes sense, to the shamans here: do you set your shamanic practice within a particular faith tradition?
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I take the majority of my morals from good old human compassion. When I see someone suffering, I naturaly sympathize and want to help them. This usually leads me to humanist approach to morality.

What I take from my beliefs is the knowledge that everything is connected and deserves respect. For example, I once worked at an outdoor museum populated by rattlesnakes. It was policy to kill them to protect the museums visitors, children especially. Out of respect for the snakes spirit, I felt compelled to cook them so they would not be wasted. BTW, rattlesnake tastes exactly like chicken, only much chewier. It's not just one of the "Tastes like chicken" jokes. It's completely true.

As for sin, etc: no. Good/evil, sin, have no existence in nature. They are relative evaluations of consequences. Understanding that consequences can go much farther then we can comprehend because of the interconnectedness of things, and thus great care must be taken, I don't believe these things exist on their own. For example, there is nothing inherently wrong with lying. However, even a white lie can have extremely unpredictable effects, so I tend to avoid lying in general.
 
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BTW, rattlesnake tastes exactly like chicken, only much chewier. It's not just one of the "Tastes like chicken" jokes. It's completely true...
To be expected, I suppose, as both birds and reptiles have a common ancestor among the dinosaurs.
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Triceratops probably tasted like chicken too.
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Triceratops probably tasted like chicken too.
Would that technically be considered tri-tip?


For the OP, what do you make of the idea of "letting go", essentially allowing the more primal parts of yourself to take over function of your body with you retaining just enough control to jerk back into the driver's seat if necessary. What would you consider that?
 
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To my amazement, my response would be pretty much the same as sbvera's, even though I'm not really familiar with the Hawaiian tradition: I believe that most of the traits we use to define and construct our individual identity in this life are pretty much mortal: memories, habits, emotional responses to specific stimuli, social status, family ties - as a matter of fact, all of that can pretty much be lost even while you're still alive. Just think of Alzheimer patients, or people suffering from total amnesia.

Our personal identity is a construct (and not a static construct, either), and it is very much mortal. Still, I consider the sum total of our experiences to be part of a larger frame of references.
We are like the ocean spray hovering over a wave: seemingly apart from the vast waters, and yet inextricably a part of the same that eventually returns to the greater Whole. As such, there is a part of us that is very much immortal - always has been, always will be. However, my notion of that immortal aspect has very little in common with the average afterlife notion, where people continue pretty much as the persons they were in this life - only without their body.
 
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I'd consider that a dionysian trance, following in the footsteps of the Maenads.

It's one of many possible states of altered consciousness (and one that I'd definitely try, if I was familiar with the techniques that keep you "in reach of the driver's seat"), but most likely a distant relative of the "typical" shamanic trance at best.
 
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Morality is an exclusively human concern, and is connected to the sphere of sociology/anthropology rather than metaphysics - at least if you ask me. That doesn't make distinct moralities utterly random (as there are only so many ways to establish a functional society), but there's enough wriggle space for different cultures and different ages to come up with vastly different ideas as to what constitutes "good" and "evil".
Thus, different people may not necessarily agree on what constitutes moral wrong, but there's a certain fundamental level of basic cooperation skills that can be considered almost universal: a muslim may consider it morally objectionable for a woman not to cover her hair, a Christian may consider it morally wrong to maintain a homosexual relationship, and a Communist may consider it morally wrong to live in a mansion while there are homeless people begging for scraps, a vegan may consider it morally wrong to raise and kill animals for food; and chances are that they won't agree with each other on these points - yet all of them will probably be able to spot a murdering sociopath and identify him as "evil".
Not because of metaphysics, but because certain acts are anathema to any sort of peaceful coexistence (killing your neighbours being very high on that list).
 
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Well, I'm as eclectic as it gets; and yes, shamanism is a shared heritage of mankind, and features/featured prominently in pretty much every culture at some point in (pre-)history.

It's more than a mere "component", though, as the experiences during the "journey" take very similar (or even identical) forms regardless of the cultural background of the individual.
 
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Would that technically be considered tri-tip?

Not something that I am personally familiar with. It sounds extremely similar to voluntary spirit possession. A skilled shaman with strong ties to certain spirits will invite that spirit into their body in order to give the spirit greater access to the physical. To conduct a healing ceremony on someone, for example, a particular spirit may need use of the shaman's hands. If the spirit is, to use an example, the spirit of a badger, the shaman can appear to become very bestial, snorting, growling, walking on all fours, etc, while he channels the animal spirit. Not all shamans can do this (some simply don't have the temperament to let go of themselves that much and remain healthy), but it's a component of many different traditions. That's the closest shamanic tradition I'm aware of that relates to what you asked. The second part of your question in particular, of jerking back to the drivers seat, describes exactly the shaman's role in this ritual.

A modern psychologist would have a field day if they tried analyze THAT behavior...
 
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(and one that I'd definitely try, if I was familiar with the techniques that keep you "in reach of the driver's seat")
Allow me to offer some advice, but take it with a grain of salt since this is not a trance aspect I'm capable of and thus my advice does not come firsthand. Firstly, make sure your ties with your spirit guide for that journey are very strong. You must respect and trust your spirit enough to guide you; give them the task of leading you on this journey, they will be much better at it then you. State your intentions clearly to them before you let go.

Second, don't do it casually. Make sure there is a ritual connection to your meditation space. Stimuli such as traditional drum beats serve both to stimulate the trance, and to reconnect you with your body through it's natural auditory senses. Incense, sage smoke, etc, may work also. You'll have to pick a method that matches your personal technique. It will probably take lots of practice, and strong familiarity with your own meditation cycle before I would suggest trying it. From what I have been told by people that DO do this, it can be one of the most profound shamanic experiences possible, so it is worth investigating. Do take care of yourself as you try it though. Best of "luck"
 
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