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Ok, I should have said there is no good evidence to believe sin exists as described in the bible.
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Ok, I should have said there is no good evidence to believe sin exists as described in the bible.Really, how do you know it is a made up concept?
Sin is not equal to doing morally bad things. Sin as described in the Bible is an offence against God and requires hellfire as a punishment. Sin cosmically changed creation, what is happening in Minneapolis is not.Meanwhile, the legacy of racism in our country, combined with Antifa's love of chaos, means that Minneapolis is basically on fire. Institutional sin, not at all made up.
When the thousands of copies of manuscripts (far more than for any other document of antiquity) are compared, we can know that the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. In the entire text of 20,000 lines, only 40 lines are in doubt (about 400 words), and none affects any significant doctrine.{2}I am not talking about the writings that got put in the Bible but writing by early Christians that do contradict each other.
Like the Gospel of Thomas
The Gospel of Thomas Collection - Translations and Resources
or how about Arius
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...1f0b6ee362e3/1523546437044/Arius-writings.pdf
Gospel of Mary Magdalene
The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene
The Bible has also undergone changes in its history. The Bible you have is not the same as 1500 years ago. Also, the gospel of Marcion is a gospel of Luke that is different than the one in the bible. Marcion said his was authentic and the other Gospel of Luke was not. In fact, some scholars think the Gospel of Marcion was written earlier to the Gospel of Luke in the bible.
So you don't think that rape is a sin?Ok, I should have said there is no good evidence to believe sin exists as described in the bible.
Sin is not equal to doing morally bad things? What makes you think that? All people sin, justice is necessary, Jesus paid the price of that sin so justice is served and people then can live with a sinless, perfect God.Sin is not equal to doing morally bad things. Sin as described in the Bible is an offence against God and requires hellfire as a punishment. Sin cosmically changed creation, what is happening in Minneapolis is not.
I am talking about what teachings became the "true" teachings. There were theological debates and fights going back almost to the beginning and even today. You seem to think that Christianity always had one set of beliefs and no others? My question is how do we know what beliefs are true. I don't care what traditionally they have been, but with all the contradictory beliefs out there today and throughout history how do we know what is true?
If there are Christians today teaching Jesus did not die for our sins (just like in the early days) and some are saying that he did. Who can demonstrate that they are correct?
Sin is not equal to doing morally bad things. Sin as described in the Bible is an offence against God and requires hellfire as a punishment. Sin cosmically changed creation, what is happening in Minneapolis is not.
I am not talking about this. I am talking about the other doctrines that have been believed through the centuries. Why are the ones in the bible believed and the others not? Like the ones I gave you as examples. You asked for examples and then ignored them.When the thousands of copies of manuscripts (far more than for any other document of antiquity) are compared, we can know that the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. In the entire text of 20,000 lines, only 40 lines are in doubt (about 400 words), and none affects any significant doctrine.{2}
Even if all the manuscripts in the whole world were to disappear, the New Testament is so comprehensively quoted by early church letters, essays and other extra-biblical sources that we could still reconstruct almost the entire testament.
We have a much fuller explanation of this in our article “Are the Biblical Documents Reliable?” at www.probe.org/are-the-biblical-documents-reliable
I think rape is morally wrong. Sin is a concept that offends a god and requires eternal punishment. It also cosmically altered creation. Rape does not do these things.So you don't think that rape is a sin?
I already said why I think sin is not equal to morally wrong things.Sin is not equal to doing morally bad things? What makes you think that? All people sin, justice is necessary, Jesus paid the price of that sin so justice is served and people then can live with a sinless, perfect God.
And I said, why do you think that?I already said why I think sin is not equal to morally wrong things.
So? What does cosmically altered creation mean to you?I think rape is morally wrong. Sin is a concept that offends a god and requires eternal punishment. It also cosmically altered creation. Rape does not do these things.
The reason we have the Bible we have is due to the other Church documents that represented the earliest teachings of Jesus.I am not talking about this. I am talking about the other doctrines that have been believed through the centuries. Why are the ones in the bible believed and the others not? Like the ones I gave you as examples. You asked for examples and then ignored them.
I think rape is morally wrong. Sin is a concept that offends a god and requires eternal punishment. It also cosmically altered creation. Rape does not do these things.
Because the bible says so. The bible describes sin as offence to god, requires eternal punishment and changes the creation when Adam and Eve sinned. Morally bad things do not do these things.And I said, why do you think that?
It brought death, weeds, frustration, pain in childbearing into the world for example.So? What does cosmically altered creation mean to you?
No, but that is another thread.The reason we have the Bible we have is due to the other Church documents that represented the earliest teachings of Jesus.
Ok, how do you know this is true?If you go with a more Eastern Orthodox analysis, sin is a spiritual illness that requires healing.
That is ok. But sin as described in the bible brought death, pain, weeds, frustration, pain in childbearing all supported by the bible.I'm not sure that the "cosmically altered Creation" part is even biblical. Anyway, I apparently don't believe in the same form of Christianity that you don't believe in, lol.
Ok, how do you know this is true?
That is ok. But sin as described in the bible brought death, pain, weeds, frustration, pain in childbearing all supported by the bible.
You cannot convince a flat earth devotee that the earth is not flat. They will deny any evidence that you present to support a spherical earth.And how do we test those beliefs?
Due to the fact that life is the product of evolution there can be no hard definition of "species". If creationism was true then such a definition should be possible.You cannot convince a flat earth devotee that the earth is not flat. They will deny any evidence that you present to support a spherical earth.
Same goes for things as basic as definitions. For example, the definition of the word, 'species', in science the precise definition is debated. The word, 'nature', in science is also unclear.
Debates and factions are always with us.
You can present evidence, but you need to take a vote in the end and the majority rules. Pluto was once considered a planet but by vote, Pluto was considered not a planet. Yet, even though the evidence was strong, there was a percentage of scientists that voted that Pluto was a planet.
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