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Argument Against Calvinistic Understanding of Election & Predestination

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It's been quite some time since I've stepped foot into Christian Forums, so to speak. I came across a fellow who wished to challenge the Calvinist view of predestination, and his method would seem to have dismantled the idea that the Calvinistic belief of election and predestination is arbitrary and brings a moral issue for God and man. I know that the Reformers disagree that God arbitrarily elects and predestines. However, I thought I'd come here to get some replies. Here I lay out the fellow's argument.

 

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Without answering each of his premises it is clear that he has no understanding of the headship of Adam or Christ. I would take him to Rom. 5 and expalain to him the difference between his view of original sin, that he imposes on Calvinists, and the Biblical teaching on it. The rest of his argument falls then.
 
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All of these premises presuppose that the doctrine of original sin is arbitrary and unjust. What the author assumes is that God is not perfectly just in condemning every single descendent of Adam to eternal damnation. He would then have to conclude that God was unjust in visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons as stated here: This presumption renders his argument at the very least unbiblical, and by extension unchristian.

Ask him if God was unjust in Exodus 20 in this pronouncement. He must answer yes, if he intends to maintain that God would be unjust to condemn all to hell.

That He does not, that He saves any, is therefore all of grace, and all of His decree. After all, cannot God say, "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?"

Hidden in this presumption is the erroneous idea that creation's main purpose is the redemption of mankind. It is instead God's glory, and His decrees are designed to fulfill that purpose, not any false 'fair deal' for the foul lump of clay of which humanity is formed. He said:
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. (Rom 11:4b)
Why not seventy thousand, or seven million? Why not all? In this passage your friend would also be forced to declare God unjust. This is not a Christian argument. Tell him to decide what it is he believes and pursue it, but to do so outside of the pale of orthodox Christianity, because that is not the faith in which he trusts.
 
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Makes a couple of mistakes, which if you suppress the linguistic connotation of "arbitrary" and "just", you find glaring.

1. God is permitted to perform gracious acts (ie, on those who don't deserve it). Undeserved favor is not unjust -- it is actually good.
2. Unequal punishment is unjust.
3. To be just, God must find a solution which allows parties to escape punishment for evil, while allowing other parties to accept punishment for what they haven't done. God has a solution to this called a covenant.
4. Election is not arbitrary if a just God performs election.
5. Justice is meted out to parties. A party may be a union of individuals, not simply an individual. (Read: modern individualism is a narrow and inaccurate view of humanity.)
6. God can be just while giving preferences to those He pleases ("Don't I have the right to do what I wish with what I have?").
7. God accepts the just condemnation of those He prefers and chooses to accept that condemnation on Himself. In other words, there is no injustice when God accepts "paybacks" in retribution on Himself.
 
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