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Agreed. Paper votes, or at least electronic voting machines with paper trails are the best. Fully electronic machines with no trails would be bad. And yes, the polling stations are pretty secure in my state.These machines should not exist and are not needed, the poling stations are fully manned and secure.
Paper votes are best and they leave a permanent trace.
The second they put these machine in Canada is the day I stop voting.
Blessings Alex
in Canada we are stuck voting for the lesser evil but I always do go vote at the end.If you stop voting do not complain about whomever gets in office. Way I look at it if you chose not to vote fine, however if you choose not to vote stay quiet for the next 2-6 years ( depending on the office) about who gets in office.
Not the certified ones following best practices.Hi Daisy, it is well known and documented that they are connected to the internet, they transmit the results that way.
That seems very secure. God bless Macoupin County for utilizing secure measures to protect the voting counts. I am sure a lot of other counties use a similar air-gapped (offline / kept away from the internet) approach.Not the certified ones following best practices.
Here's how one county explains their process:
At no time are Macoupin County machines connected to the internet. Here’s the process:
- You vote on the touchscreen and print out your paper ballot. This machine is never connected to the internet.
- You insert your paper ballot into the tabulator to be counted. The tabulator is never connected to the internet.
- After the polls close, election judges return the tabulator and paper ballots to the Courthouse. We take the flash drive from the tabulator and insert it into a laptop. This laptop has never been and will never be connected to the internet.
- Once the results are uploaded to the laptop, we take a completely different flash drive and copy over a set of results to upload to the public website on a totally different computer. This would be the only step that potentially could be hacked. But let’s say that it was, the results website would show the wrong results. But the official results on the laptop would not have changed. The paper ballots would not have changed. Sure it wouldn’t be great that our results website was showing the wrong numbers, but the actual results and count itself would not be changed whatsoever.
- After Election Day, the state randomly sends us 5 precincts as well as one of the early and mail vote tabulators to retabulate or audit. We have to rerun every ballot through the same tabulator and get the exact same number of ballots cast and votes counted for each candidate. If they do not match up, we have to investigate to find the discrepancy.
Many "well known things" simply ain't so. You say it is well documented? Please show your documents that say that voting machines are connected to the internet.
I hope that ALL counties are doing that, my brother.That seems very secure. God bless Macoupin County for utilizing secure measures to protect the voting counts. I am sure a lot of other counties use a similar air-gapped (offline / kept away from the internet) approach.
I do also hope the same.I hope that ALL counties are doing that, my brother.
Yes they are. The votes are tabulated and then they are transmitted via the internet.
In the early to mid aughties, Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Italy and France trialled e-voting machines to replace pencil and paper and all abandoned the venture based on security primarily and cost-effectiveness.Hackers' confab shows vulnerabilities in election machines amid testing concerns ahead of November
Increasing the use of voting machines after the 2000 “didn’t fix the Bush v. Gore problem,” but “just made our elections less transparent,” Phill Kline said.justthenews.com
This is a very serious issue and I have to wonder if anyone of y'all are concerned about the security and integrity of the computers and machines used in the voting process.
Do you believe the computer experts and hackers who have shown that they can hack into voting systems?No, as you've been shown, they are not. Results can be transmitted via the Internet but not from the machines doing the counting; the results are typically copied from the counting machines onto some type of portable drive (such as a thumb drive) and copied onto a computer connected to the Internet. Additionally, Presidential Election results are paper copies of the results from the states to the US Congress, where they certify the Electors and their votes.
What do you mean by voting "systems"? What all are you including?Do you believe the computer experts and hackers who have shown that they can hack into voting systems?
Post #48 brought forth an informative example from the past.What do you mean by voting "systems"? What all are you including?
The hackers, no matter how expert they may be, can't hack a voting machine that is not ever connected to the internet. They may hack the database where voter info is stored but that's a different problem.
Do you think we've learned nothing since Europe's experience nearly a quarter of a century ago?Post #48 brought forth an informative example from the past.
As Daisy points out, it depends on what you are talking about. Sure they "can" be hacked, as can any piece of electronics. The issue is that they largely can't be, in real life, as those that would hack them don't have the access to do it when it counts; there are various layers of security to protect that from happening.Do you believe the computer experts and hackers who have shown that they can hack into voting systems?
Maybe we have.Do you think we've learned nothing since Europe's experience nearly a quarter of a century ago?
Former Colorado clerk Tina Peters convicted in election interference case
Tina Peters, the former clerk of Mesa County, was found guilty of four felonies after a lengthy criminal trial. She was cleared of three lesser charges.
[Prosecutor] Drake argued Peters was “fixated” on a desire to be a “hero” and to impress [MyPillow Mike] Lindell, one of the most notable election-denying conspiracy theorists.
“The defendant was a fox guarding the henhouse. It was her job to protect the election equipment, and she turned on it and used her power for her own advantage,” Drake said in arguments, according to The Associated Press.
Per Axios, she faces as much as 22 years in prison.
2024 STEAL MI: Dominion Voting Machines “BUG” Miscounts Party Line Votes
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2024 STEAL MI: Dominion Voting Machines “BUG” Miscounts Party Line Votes | Joe Hoft
In 2020 the voting machines used in Michigan became an issue. The machines used were Dominion voting machines. This was the first time we heard the word Dominion. Dominion voting machines used in Michigan are back in the news. In 2020, a series of glitches in vote reporting on air across the...joehoft.com
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