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I disagree complete. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm exploring this issue with our Roman brothers-in-Christ as a critical friend.are the conditions of infalibillity ever even met?
I think we should forget about roman catholicism and concentrate on our own church from now on. The RC's are way too out there, they're in a different world than our own.
Just don't let 'em "take ya away"I disagree complete. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm exploring this issue with our Roman brothers-in-Christ as a critical friend.
Nobody seems to be able to give a consistent unflawed reason why "contraception is a perverted use of a human gift" and timing one's sex with the aim of achieving the same is not beyond "because we say so".
I'm trying to draw out the rational...Perhaps because UB's two threads have both gone into the direction of contraception, I should just link to my explanations over there. But I'll also post some of the briefer comments I think may summate Catholic teaching on the matter. I think accusing the Church of "because we say so" does zero respect to the fact that the Catholic Church has rationale for teaching as She does.
That's really no more than saying the same thing in more words. It does nothing to explain why/how one sort of contraception is that and another is not.But in short, contraception is wrong, not just because God said so (ahem, cough, through the Catholic Church as we understand) but because of its very nature against the gift.
"It is sinful because it is a violation of the natural law and an affront to the gift of sexuality, frustrating a part of the giving of the self which sex is."
Choosing to have the act at infertile moments is contraception.
How is choosing to abstain during fertile time not contraceptive?
But abstinence acheives the same "perversion of God's plan" so
what difference does it make on how you acheive that means?
Just seems sort of silly.. is there something ebia and I are missing
that you know about?
mother of 8
#justsayin
Nobody seems to be able to give a consistent unflawed reason why "contraception is a perverted use of a human gift" and timing one's sex with the aim of achieving the same is not beyond "because we say so".
There seems to be an unspoken assumption here that one looks at, and only at, each discreet instance and not the overall pattern. A consistent choice to only have sex at certain times and not at others is as much a deliberate act to make a couple's sex-life "unfruitful" as any other method. You cannot completely evaluate something by looking at each atomic component in isolation.Not having sex with someone does not pervert any act. There is no sin in a couple deciding not to have sex at a given moment.
If it's intention is a concious decision to avoid conception it's as much a change to sex as using a condom.
"Abstence is not a sin, therefore NPF is not sinful" is seriously flawed logic. If that's the level of thinking going on the point has been made.
There seems to be an unspoken assumption here that one looks at, and only at, each discreet instance and not the overall pattern. A consistent choice to only have sex at certain times and not at others is as much a deliberate act to make a couple's sex-life "unfruitful" as any other method. You cannot completely evaluate something by looking at each atomic component in isolation.
It does nothing to explain why/how one sort of contraception is that and another is not.
Do you really believe that?Human beings act in linear time. That means that we act only at one particular moment with factors including free will, knowledge, consent and intention.
A pattern of behavior cannot be immoral since we are incapable of acting over multiple periods of time from the same instant. You can only sin from a single decision.
You keep saying "one perverts the sexual act and one doesn't" but you haven't given any cohesive reason for saying that beyond repeating it in different words; it's obviously self-evidently true to you and not at all to me.I don't know how I can state it any clearer than I already have. If you actually want to label both methods as "contraception" (which itself is debatable) one perverts the sexual act, the other doesn't. So if all the posts I've already made do not include an acceptable answer to some here, I'll walk away without regret. And we can bid our "good day"'s as always.
You keep saying "one perverts the sexual act and one doesn't" but you haven't given any cohesive reason for saying that beyond repeating it in different words; it's obviously self-evidently true to you and not at all to me.
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