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Erinwilcox said:Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day.
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Luk 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
Jam 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Well, this is what the Bible says. It matters not what man thinks or says, but rather what God has said in His Word.
Erinwilcox said:Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day.
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Luk 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
Jam 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Well, this is what the Bible says. It matters not what man thinks or says, but rather what God has said in His Word.
Dragons87 said:Some non-Christians may indeed be God's enemy, but most, I believe, are at best lost sheep.
oldwiseguy said:Regarding hell; the good unsaved's 'part' of the lake of fire may not be as hot as for the wicked. God is very gracious to all in this mortal life. All have a full life span and can be in health and prosperity (mostly). Most choose wisely, many do not. When it's over they (the unsaved) are simply dead, not tortured forever. That would be 'eternal life' in torment. Not scriptural. Paul spoke of becoming a 'castaway' if by becoming so he could save others. I doubt that he would consider an eternity in torment so that others could enjoy eternal life with God. That makes no sense.
Welcome! I believe you will find that what you have said, other than the unsaved are enemies and perhaps even that, will be very debatable.UncleRicky said:According to Scripture, The unsaved are enemies, but God loves them, died for them, and persues them with an amazing love.
Rick
oldwiseguy said:When it's over they (the unsaved) are simply dead, not tortured forever. That would be 'eternal life' in torment. Not scriptural. Paul spoke of becoming a 'castaway' if by becoming so he could save others. I doubt that he would consider an eternity in torment so that others could enjoy eternal life with God. That makes no sense.
Rebirth In Flames said:Amen; I agree with Erinwilcox on this one. This isn't a "feel-good" faith we live for, it's one based on Scripture... what I feel is right, holds little bearing to the absolute truth written for us in Scripture. This isn't a relative answer, it's absolute in the sense that Scripture says that if you don't accept Christ, then you go to hell...and those who go to hell are obviously an enemy of God, not because they weren't "good people", but because they didn't accept Christ into their hearts. Being a "good person" in this life isn't going to score you brownie points at judgement as most people want to believe, brownies don't matter at judgement - God's sweet enough.. the only thing that matters is if you've accepted the mediation of Jesus Christ into your heart and daily make the choice to continually follow Him.
QuantaCura said:And then we have this:
Luke 9: 50 And Jesus said to him: Forbid him not; for he that is not against you, is for you.
It's a simple deal. God loves all the same. He sent His only Son to save not condemn. That being said, if someone chooses not to believe and to conduct themselves wickedly, they will have to suffer serious consequences--they have made God their personal enemy. On the other hand, those who have not had the opprtunity to believe, but follow the law written on all our heart by cooperating with the interior graces God sends all men, may still be saved as they may have placed themselves in God's friendship.
Here's an interesting passage to think about:
Luke 12:47 And that servant who knew the will of his lord, and prepared not himself, and did not according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required: and to whom they have committed much, of him they will demand the more.
mlqurgw said:I am surprised no one posted this passage.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Notice it doesn't say at enmity but is enmity.
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